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Windows 7: Windows 7 to be shipped in Europe sans IE

12 Jun 2009   #61
Boris

W7 64b - Leopard 10.6.2 - Ubuntu 10.10 (MBP Snow Leopard 10.6.3)
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by jfar View Post
Exactly as you say about the example
MS puts in their "crap brakes" = IE, in all their Operating Systems as standard, and everybody has the option to change their "brakes"/IE
if they so choose, and they do, every day of the week they are changing their browsers, so there is no problem with MS putting in IE into Their
Operating System, and if people dont like, it they can change it to
what ever browser they like, as many times as they like.
That is correct for us geeks/car mechanics , but for the bullk of computer users it is a problem or they are not even aware of other browsers.

I know this seems all trival, but i think it touches some fundamental principles. Internet has become a too important information resource, to leave the access in the hands of one monopolist (MS)


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12 Jun 2009   #62
SIW2

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

Vista x64 / 7 X64
 
 

Just because the EU regulators are not popular due to previous bizarre acts - does not mean there is anything wrong with Monopoly regulation per se.

If you read the comments on the original Ars link, you will see it is pretty well explained by Kazper.
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12 Jun 2009   #63
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"We geeks have a choice, we know how to install another browser. But I think 90% of the consumer have no clue about other browsers or how to install them. So in this way MS dictates the market"


I understand where your coming from but most people wont care what browser they have , only us geeks do. In all fairness Microsoft make the product so should be able to put what they want in it.If other companies cant make a product that can realistically compete with them why should they be penalised for it ?

Linux distros are on commercial PC's now , same as Apple do "branded products" but they don't get told what to do , Ive tried Linux and its not user friendly and Apple is locked by its own hardware/software so isn't that good when you think about it . OK it may be more secure but thats only due to Microsoft having the market share and hackers diverting their attentions to Windows.

I work as a bricklayer and run a small company and do fairly well for myself , but WHY should i give my competitors a chance or drop my prices so they get a slice of the cake ? you don't see Nike getting told not to supply laces or Sony told not to supply remote controls.

Without getting in to a political argument ( its a windows 7 forum after all ) The EU comes out with pure rubbish 24/7 and i wish i wasn't part of it.
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12 Jun 2009   #64
SIW2

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Hi Legacy,

Do you have a monopoly in bricklaying - and are you tying to use that position to expand into other areas?
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12 Jun 2009   #65
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Not at the moment but im working hard at it , give me a few years lol
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12 Jun 2009   #66
SIW2

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

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Lol - great answer, Legacy - good luck to you.

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So now you will get certain browser companies approaching the likes of dell, and offering them bribes, or little brown envelopes to install their browser in the latest PCs. jfar
Out of Opera, Safari and MS, which is in a better position to "persuade" oem's to include their browser - gee, I wonder.

Think you'll find direct payments will not be allowed, but there are other ways.

I suspect some oem's will include a choice of browsers - not a bad thing for the consumer or the market, if it is done in such a way that there are no barriers.

We still have to see what the EU response will be to this sharp MS move.

The regulators will probably make a hash of it as usual.
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12 Jun 2009   #67
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Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
Think you'll find direct payments will not be allowed, but there are other ways.
Sure back handers/ brown envelopes over cocktails make the world go round , tell me about it lol.

Microsoft do have the monopoly and thats life , but what would happen if Microsoft said.... "OK fellas we are not going to supply NASA/NORAD/NATO with secure operating systems/software anymore , we feel its in our competitors interests to give them a chance ? ". Or even worse they lost the contracts due to a ruling that stated that they had the lions share and it " wasn't fair".

As the advert says " Imagine a world without windows ".

Off Topic : This is a cool forum and you can never get bored in here
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12 Jun 2009   #68
Barman58

Windows 10 Pro x64 x3, Ubuntu
 
 

Have just come across this blog post that gives another take on this situation and certainly adds another dimension to things.

Might the Windows 7 EU Internet Explorer decision turn out to be an own-goal for Opera?
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12 Jun 2009   #69
PhreePhly

Windows 7 x64 (RTM via MSDN)
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by z3r010 View Post
Does anybody know of any EU rulings against Apple? or have they just singled out MS as their cash cow.
Here's the difference, MS is considered a monopoly, and have been convicted, in the past, of abusing that monopoly. This doesn't mean I agree with the amount of vigor I think the EU uses to go after MS, I'm just explaining why MS is the only one to get smacked around.

Being a monopolist is not illegal, or bad, but it does mean that governments will pay particular attention to situations where they think you can abuse your position and stifle competition. MS is a monopolist simply for the fact that they had the best understanding of this new computer market early on, and found a way to convince folks that this is the standard to follow. Once they controlled that market, they abused that power by strong-arming OEMs to use their products. I believe that MS would still be the dominant player in the computer world, even without the strong-arming, because to operate, and more importantly, inter-operate, in business, a standard platform is necessary, and Wintel was the best standard at the time.

I also fully expect the EU to turn around and fine MS for once again abusing their position by not providing a browser at all. I think MS took the right path here and told the EU, fine, we'll provide for an open field in the browser market. The EU is not going to like being made fools and will in turn, slap MS around again. They will end up forcing MS to provide links to competitor browsers upon first startup of the OS for retail packages. I'm just guessing here, but we'll see.

Ohh, and don't forget, Intel is about to become the EU's b*tch, soon. MS and Intel can sit around at a group therapy session together comparing notes on how each got schooled.

PhreePhly
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12 Jun 2009   #70
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Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by PhreePhly View Post
Ohh, and don't forget, Intel is about to become the EU's b*tch, soon. MS and Intel can sit around at a group therapy session together comparing notes on how each got schooled.

PhreePhly
Would you be kind enough to elaborate on that statement please , as I'm curious as to whats about to happen.

Thanks
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