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Windows 7: EU to pursue antitrust case, despite Windows 7 E

14 Jun 2009   #21
Lordbob75

Windows 7 Ultimate x64, Mint 9
 
 

I have a great solution for the EU.

Just let M$ leave IE as the default.
Why?
Let me put it this way: Anyone who uses IE either likes it, or doesn't know about any other browsers, and anyone who doesn't use it will just go and DL their favourite browser right off the bat anyways. So it's pointless to force it. Just leave it!

~Lordbob


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14 Jun 2009   #22
petrossa

vista x64/ win 7 x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Lordbob75 View Post
I have a great solution for the EU.

Just let M$ leave IE as the default.
Why?
Let me put it this way: Anyone who uses IE either likes it, or doesn't know about any other browsers, and anyone who doesn't use it will just go and DL their favourite browser right off the bat anyways. So it's pointless to force it. Just leave it!

~Lordbob
Dear Lord, it's not the browser that is at issue, it's the principle of monopolistic behaviour. The browser is just a stick to beat the dog.
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14 Jun 2009   #23
Lordbob75

Windows 7 Ultimate x64, Mint 9
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by petrossa View Post
Dear Lord, it's not the browser that is at issue, it's the principle of monopolistic behaviour. The browser is just a stick to beat the dog.
I know, but I just decided that they way they are doing it is so F***ing ridiculous. They cannot just leave it up to the Manufacturer to decided which version to put in! They will ALL choose to use the one with IE pre-installed to save themselves some work!

~Lordbob
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14 Jun 2009   #24
Joan Archer

Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 32 bit/Windows 10 64bit
 
 

Another reason why we should be out of the EU they're getting too big for their boots.

So what if Microsoft have a browser bundled with their OS it's their OS after all, it doesn't mean you have to use it, although you do for Updates but surely that's not too much of an issue.

I do use it though, I tried Firefox but didn't really like it and when I was on my XP machine I used Maxthon, but that is run on the IE engine, I just haven't got around to checking out if that would work on Vista.
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14 Jun 2009   #25
petrossa

vista x64/ win 7 x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Lordbob75 View Post
I know, but I just decided that they way they are doing it is so F***ing ridiculous. They cannot just leave it up to the Manufacturer to decided which version to put in! They will ALL choose to use the one with IE pre-installed to save themselves some work!

~Lordbob
Obviously. And more as soon as an average user should install (quite unlikely) another browser they'll soon uninstall it as ActiveX and sloppy nonstandard HTML break the nonIE's back.

It's only very recently i can log into my bankaccount using anything else but IE. If that's the first thing you get, not being able the access your accounts, as a uninterested homeuser you're not going to keep that browser on your disk.

But still that doesn't matter to the EU. They just ant MS to toe the line. One way or another. Just until their initiative to switch to opensource is fully implemented. Until that huge operation is done, they will continue to keep MS under tight reign. Luckily for us.
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14 Jun 2009   #26
rattelmike

Windows 7 Build 7260 x86
 
 

isn't this all netscapes fault? that browser sucked!!
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14 Jun 2009   #27
Lordbob75

Windows 7 Ultimate x64, Mint 9
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by rattelmike View Post
isn't this all netscapes fault? that browser sucked!!
No, this particular one is Opera's fault......

~Lordbob
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14 Jun 2009   #28
PhreePhly

Windows 7 x64 (RTM via MSDN)
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by petrossa View Post
Dear Lord, it's not the browser that is at issue, it's the principle of monopolistic behaviour. The browser is just a stick to beat the dog.
Here's where you and I disagree. I'm not sure the EU could win a case today that MS is a monopoly. They were in 1996, but given the amount of choice that exists today, I think the EU would have a difficult time showing that MS, today is a monopoly.

PhreePhly
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14 Jun 2009   #29
petrossa

vista x64/ win 7 x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by PhreePhly View Post
Here's where you and I disagree. I'm not sure the EU could win a case today that MS is a monopoly. They were in 1996, but given the amount of choice that exists today, I think the EU would have a difficult time showing that MS, today is a monopoly.

PhreePhly
Your talking about if this were a courtcase. The committee chaired by Ms Kroes has decided that MS was/is abusing it's position as a virtual monopolist. So to all intents and purposes it is.

If your country makes a law stipulating that everybody who uses the nick PhreePhly will punishable, you can shout heys thats not fair all the way to prison.

Ofcourse MS can try to appeal to the EU court, but their last appeal didn't go as they expected. If i were them i'd just try to weasel the best conditions out as i could and spare me the fortune on a lost case in the EU courts. The more they try to wiggle out of it, the deeper the committees teeth will sink in.

There's no way you're going to beat a vast organisation/government which have decided they don't like you.

Just bend over and say thank you, **** happens.
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14 Jun 2009   #30
Boris

W7 64b - Leopard 10.6.2 - Ubuntu 10.10 (MBP Snow Leopard 10.6.3)
 
 

In the past all geeks were complaining about MS shoving their standards down every bodies throats. Now the EU tries to change things to more open standards and what happens... Most people here cry murder???

Off course unbundling IE is not enough if MS manages to get IE preinstalled by all OEM manufacturers.

(Remember Intels plans to push AMD out of the market?)

I want competition, I want choice!
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