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Windows 7: Intel and AMD sign death warrant for VGA port

25 Dec 2010   #51
arkhi

Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195
 
 

time to throw away those $1000 projectors from our 50 classrooms... oh wai-

~Merry Christmas


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25 Dec 2010   #52
Hikertrash

Windows 7 Professional 32bit Sp1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Trucidation View Post
Monitors are chicken feed compared to projectors. Like many other companies we have more than a dozen here and I would describe them as exactly the opposite of cheap. If PCs aren't going to have any VGA-outs anymore then each and every single one of those several-thousand-dollar projectors are going to be rendered into very expensive paperweights.
Adapter cables are fairly cheap. HDMI > VGA will work.
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25 Dec 2010   #53
Hikertrash

Windows 7 Professional 32bit Sp1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Maxxwire View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by LiquidSnak View Post
I personally hate the way HDMI looks on HDTV. It looks... Off. I don't know, but I don't like it.
When I got my new Win 7 computer I was looking forward to using HDMI with my 32" Sony Bravia and so I bought a new high quality Belkin Pure AV Silver Series HDMI cable, but I was in for a big surprise!

When I connected my computer to the Bravia using the HDMI cable the image was so severely overscanned that I could barely even see the window controls in the upper right hand corner of the screen and no matter how I adjusted my AMD 5570 graphics card to return to the 1366 X 768 screen size the Bravia displayed hard to read text and distortion artifacts across the entire display. What I later discovered was that HDMI has been mandated to output only 720 or 1080 lines of resolution and correcting the overscannresultec......
I have no idea what's mandated or really how it works but I run a cheap gold connections HDMI cable (Amazon) from my laptop to a 32" Vizio HDTV and the picture is exceptional.

The only think I can think of is to make sure you make sure the display settings are set to the Bravia's native resolution and not those of your PC monitor.
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25 Dec 2010   #54
xarden

Windows 7 Enterprise
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Maxxwire View Post
xarden- Concerning Optical Toslink I recently got a new $35.05 65 strand Glass Conductor Optical Digital Toslink to connect my Sony Receiver to my computer's sound card and it sounds ever so much better than the $80 molded plastic conductor Toslink that I used in the past.

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Oh yes, Im not disputing that. It sounds great when I have my Onkyo connected through toslink to my soundcard. (I prefer using spdif for so Im using that instead now)
What I meant, was when I used HDMI, I basically couldnt use my sound card. The audio was going through the hdmi cable to the TV instead. Then from the TV to the amplifier. It was the conversions there that caused the latency.

I was later told all I needed to do was disable the audio over hdmi function?
It doesnt matter now, the (ex)gf moved out and took the tv.

@jelyman,
Actually, industrial standards are to use RS232 serial at 9200(0) baud, because it is reliable over longer distances than you can run a USB cable for.
In places like steel mills and factories, and our dyno workshop, where theres a lot of EMI's, heat, vibrations, noise, there is a lot of infrastructure build on this because... well it is reliable.
These places dont care for P4's or i7's. They care for what does the job for what the job requires. A dummy terminal with a 486 is all thats needed to retract an anchor and move a crane, and all displayed on a green and black CGA crt screen.

But I agree with you from a consumer, or hightech industry point of view.
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25 Dec 2010   #55
Maxxwire

Windows 7 x64 Home Premium
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by xarden View Post
Oh yes, Im not disputing that. It sounds great when I have my Onkyo connected through toslink to my soundcard. (I prefer using spdif for so Im using that instead now)
The traditional thought was that Digital coax is better than Optical Toslink because it only had a 6 Mhz bandwidth and so I was using S/PDIF over a $225 Audioquest .9999 fine silver dual conductor Digital coax cable until I discovered Glass conductor Optical Toslink...



This is not a common low bandwidth plastic conductor Toslink this Glass Toslink has a 65 strand Glass Fiber conductor Toslink that sells for only $35.

~Maxx~
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26 Dec 2010   #56
raliy2k

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

R.i.p vga.
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27 Dec 2010   #57
Maxxwire

Windows 7 x64 Home Premium
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Hikertrash View Post
I have no idea what's mandated or really how it works but I run a cheap gold connections HDMI cable (Amazon) from my laptop to a 32" Vizio HDTV and the picture is exceptional.
After finding out that the hard way that HDMI is mandated to 720 and 1080 lines of resolution and could not produce even a decent picture on my 768 line Bravia I took the Belkin Pure AV HDMI wire which has silver soldered connections and 4 layers of shielding, anti-resonance sheathing and dual ferrite RFI filtering in addition to its gold plated terminations which are as wide as a US quarter and used it to replace the flimsy poorly shielded HDMI wire that had been between the HD cable box and the 50" Sony HDTV in the living room and it has never looked so good in fact it now looks spectacular in comparison to the way it looked using the former poorly built wire by comparison !

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27 Dec 2010   #58
EvilOzzmess

7 Ultimate x64 SP1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Lee View Post
Part of the impetus for the depreciation of VGA is the ongoing push for 3D displays in both TV and PC markets. On the TV front, the 3D panels require the latest HDMI spec, with its support for more bandwidth. And in PCs, GPU makers and monitor makers would both like to see gamers don shutter glasses and make the jump to true 3D gaming. Indeed, even in the handheld space, parallax barrier technology will bring 3D (sans glasses) to the smallest displays this coming year.
Of course, whether consumers care as much about 3D as device makers do is an open question. Sales of 3D panels have been disappointing so far, and all the major 3D TV makers are bracing for a lackluster holiday season. But if the public does decide to take the 3D plunge at some point, at least they won't have a legacy graphics port holding them back.
This bit concerns me greatly, never mind the VGA phase-out itself!

I'm one of many people who simply cannot and will never be able to see man-made 3D picture. I was born with a condition known as "Strabismus" and which, because surgical treatment failed to correct the problem with discrepancies in visual input from both eyes, developed into "Ambylopia" and which basically means that part of my visual cortex (dealing in "depth perception") never developed, atrophied and for all intensive purposes, died.

The reason I cannot see in man-made 3D is because my depth-perception (one in the same which is exploited to create the 3D effect and nothing else) just isn't there anymore. The last time I was able to see 3D before that part of my brain "died" was in the fall of 1998 and it is never coming back. There is simply no fix known to man or medicine that will cure this ailment and there damn well likely never will be.

So, now I am wondering what is going to happen with people like me, who (again) cannot and will never be able to see in 3D, when 3D-viewing becomes the new standard for everything - TV, movies, games, and even computing altogether. Are we just going to be swept under the rug when they decide 2D has to die out, too???


Sorry to take this a bit off-topic, but... I think you can see my point and its relevance to this discussion. If THIS is truly the (sole) reason they are deciding to "phase out" VGA and possibly other interface connections, or else entire technologies of yesterday and the present, for those of the future (3D)... it doesn't look good for people like me. Not good at all.


Having said that, and to get back on-topic, I see absolutely no difference in picture quality between VGA and HDMI on my PCs and external monitors. None at all. The only portion of my vision which is "impaired" is that which deals purely on "depth-perception", again as I have said, and which has no forbearance between my abilities to distinguish between VGA and HDMI picture-quality and because my devices are strictly 2D, 3D has nothing to do with them at all.

So what is the real advantage of removing a less expensive connection interface in favor of more expensive ones, which claim to be "better"? Well I just answered that in the question itself...

MONEY!!!

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27 Dec 2010   #59
Johnathan Lyman

Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by EvilOzzmess View Post

I'm one of many people who simply cannot and will never be able to see man-made 3D picture. I was born with a condition known as "Strabismus" and which, because surgical treatment failed to correct the problem with discrepancies in visual input from both eyes, developed into "Ambylopia" and which basically means that part of my visual cortex (dealing in "depth perception") never developed, atrophied and for all intensive purposes, died.

The reason I cannot see in man-made 3D is because my depth-perception (one in the same which is exploited to create the 3D effect and nothing else) just isn't there anymore. The last time I was able to see 3D before that part of my brain "died" was in the fall of 1998 and it is never coming back. There is simply no fix known to man or medicine that will cure this ailment and there damn well likely never will be.

So, now I am wondering what is going to happen with people like me, who (again) cannot and will never be able to see in 3D, when 3D-viewing becomes the new standard for everything - TV, movies, games, and even computing altogether. Are we just going to be swept under the rug when they decide 2D has to die out, too???
I'm really sorry to hear that. 8 out of 10 times, you're not missing anything. For me, 3D is tough as my eyes don't do well with contacts and the mix between my near-sightedness and my astigmatism on both axes in both eyes, 3D is a chore.

And I severely doubt it will become standard. It'll be an option, I'm sure, but not everything will benefit from 3D: the news, game shows, documentaries, as examples.

I saw Jackass in 3D and while it was "cool", it was un-necessary.

I really wouldn't worry about it.
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