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Windows 7: Leaked: Microsoft Security Essentials (codename Morro)

21 Jun 2009   #131
Slimy

Windows 7
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Charles Kane View Post
Probably no less safe than any other product. Microsoft's reputation blah blah

I'm running it with one of the highest rated -Eset-NOD. Not free but runs in tandem very well and running till we see some reliability reports on MSE. 30 day free trial.

Or Fully free and very good - pretty much a favorite with many people here is Avast. Don't know how it sits with MSE. I'd be running it if I wasn't trying MSE.
Running two antivirus programs at the same time is a bad idea. Use one or the other.


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21 Jun 2009   #132
Dark Nova Gamer

Windows 7 Ultimate, OS X 10.7, Ubuntu 11.04
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Slimy View Post
Running two antivirus programs at the same time is a bad idea. Use one or the other.
Agreed, whoever thought it was good in the first place, was sadly mistaken.
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21 Jun 2009   #133
Tiber

Windows 7 Ultimate
 
 

If you go here LINK REMOVED you can read about MSE and download it.

I have been using it since Friday and quite like it.
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21 Jun 2009   #134
tony roma

Windows7 x86 build 7127
 
 

thx Tiber, links are working fine! x86 and x64 versions...
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24 Jun 2009   #135
SIW2

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

Vista x64 / 7 X64
 
 

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I will admit the results are a little... shocking, even for Microsoft's standards.
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VirusTotal uses stripped down versions of the "Anti-Malware" tools. So, pitting them (the 40 or so stripped down versions) against a fully installed anti-malware suite (I use the term loosely), makes the facts even worse.
Digital Soapbox - Preaching Security to the Digital Masses: Microsoft Security Essentials: Road Test

anti-virus rants: possible downsides to morro
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24 Jun 2009   #136
Charles Kane

Windows 7 Ultimate, Ubuntu
 
 

The digital soapbox article (post 135) is bunkum. I have posted there that the whole premise that keygens and cracks are by definition malware is wrong.

In fact by their very nature they will often flag as malware (inserting code in an exe, "reverse engineering" an exe) whereas this is a false positive as beyond finding or inserting a registration they are doing nothing else.

In which case MSE may actually be getting it RIGHT by not identifying files as malware. They may be malware but the absurd tests done on that blog quite leave us in the dark on that question!
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24 Jun 2009   #137
SIW2

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

Vista x64 / 7 X64
 
 

Yes of course, the small tests done by enthusiasts are by definition not definitive.

Nevertheless, it is interesting that MSE did not pick up 4 out of 10 that were picked up by the large majority of the engines on Virustotal.

I am not sure what people expect of MSE.

I have seen post claiming it is "small" and "lightweight" - in reference to what?

I compared it for size on my machine to Avast - and it was certainly not small or lightweight compared to that.

It appears to be OneCare with some parts removed. Since, as far as I can gather, that was not generally thought to be particulaly good - why should MSE be any better?

MS have said it is for those who do not have an AV - e.g. the ones who think they are still protected when their trial AV runs out.

They have made no claims they will be investing heavily in making it substantially better.

If people who would otherwise be unprotected end up using it - clearly that is a good thing.

I see no evidence , or indication, that it is any better , or even as good as , some of the already popular free solutions.
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24 Jun 2009   #138
TheIgster

Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
I see no evidence , or indication, that it is any better , or even as good as , some of the already popular free solutions.
MSE picked up things that my AVG Free did not.

I so far have had no issues with it. Seems to be "lightweight" based on the amount of RAM it uses when it's sitting in memory and scans are fast.

Seems to me Microsoft has done a bang up job giving us a free product like this, but that's just my opinion.
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24 Jun 2009   #139
SIW2

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

Vista x64 / 7 X64
 
 

I'm glad it picked up something AVG did not - it may be the other way round in a different case. How can you be sure they weren't false positives?

Are you using them both together?

On my machine MSE used more Ram than Avast - doesn't matter much , what's a few mb of Ram nowadays.

I don't expect there is anything wrong with MSE per se. I just see no reason to expect it to be any better than OneCare was.

I suspect it is getting an enthusistic reponse from some people , because thay are enthusiastic about 7 - they immediately assume everything MS is fantastic.

They are not giving it away free out of the goodness of their hearts - they are doing it because they think it is good for MS.
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24 Jun 2009   #140
TheIgster

Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit
 
 

Think you are making a lot of assumptions there SIW2.

I am by no means a huge supporter of Microsoft per se, but you almost sound like you are "anti" Microsoft.

AVG was installed on my system. It had been for quite some time. MSE was installed when it was leaked and AVG uninstalled. MSE found a few things that AVG never did during scans. They were indeed viruses from what I could tell.

Regardless of why MS released this FREE product, it is free, it works and it seems to be something that many people will use and will appreciate. I say good on MS for doing it.
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