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Windows 7: Almost 16 Million Office 2010 Copies Sold in 6 Months

17 Jan 2011   #11
jimbo45

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Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Layback Bear View Post
I don't use a Office program but I still wonder how Microsoft Office sells so well when every place, (forums) I go some one post that a free office program is just as good. If they are just as good why do people buy Microsoft Office???
Hi there

Paying FULL PRICE for an Office suite from MS is about as unlikely as anybody EVER paying the full price for say a SOFA or other furniture --these stores seem to have PERMANENT sales.

There are so many LEGAL ways to get heavily discounted copies of MS Office that I'm not surprised at how good its selling at.

For as little as 5 USD you can get a (LEGAL) discounted version -- such as Use at Home etc so there isn't a huge reason to ignore MS office against FREE office suites.

I'm not against Open Office etc but MS OFFICE really DOES do the job it was designed for - especially WORD, Poweerpoint, EXCEL ands OUTLOOK.

I can live without ACCESS but the rest of the Office suite is absolutely fine.

Cheers
jimbo


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17 Jan 2011   #12
wds7

WDS 7 Home Pre.x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Layback Bear View Post
I don't use a Office program but I still wonder how Microsoft Office sells so well when every place, (forums) I go some one post that a free office program is just as good. If they are just as good why do people buy Microsoft Office???

The best of MS office is Outlook ...
There is not even one close to it out there .."paid or free..."
You can get away with word, excel ...from free open office ...just as good .
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17 Jan 2011   #13
pparks1

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by sygnus21 View Post
Not sure where you get your stats from but trust me, a lot of people are actually purchasing it in legitimate ways.
My stats aren't STATS, but rather come from gut instinct, reading the web, and working professionally in the IT field for almost 15 years now. Seems all of my friends and most people that I speak to on forums got their copy from a friend or from some other download from the Internet for no cost. In fact, many simply believe that "their computer came with Office for free". While I do understand that some computers do come with office, and some people checked the box and paid extra for office when they bought their computer....it's also true that in some instances their "computer friend" brought over a copy when they got their computer and set them up with it as they didn't want them to be stuck without it. Perhaps they don't even realize it...as many times it's not even worth explaining to the masses why we do what we do on the computer.

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by sygnus21 View Post
Also, students can get a discount on the professional plus at a substantial discount. My daughter did
Yes, I do understand these programs exist and people do purchase legitimately through these. In addition, there are people who can obtain non-legitimate student email addresses and buy and sell student copies to people who are otherwise not qualified for the offer. I know people who do it. They post things like, "hey, before you spend $120 on Office, talk to me first, I can probably get you a copy at the $29 student rate.


Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by sygnus21 View Post
And let’s not forget the Microsoft Home Use Program that’s offered to the military and government workers. So yeah, I think there are more legitimate "home" users then you might think
The Home Use Program is also offered to companies and such which maintain a current Enterprise Agreement with Microsoft including Software Assurance for the desktop itself.

I used to be the administrator of my current companies Home Use Program until we decided to not renew our Enterprise Agreement because we could no longer justify the cost of software assurance for our business. And I believe that since we no longer qualify for the Home Use Program that our end-users who did purchase the copy of the software are actually no longer entitled to use that software under the program. The same holds true for people who are no longer with the employer who provided the copy of the software that they were using. (Although, I doubt highly that Microsoft would actively go out and try to stop this use of the software).



Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by sygnus21 View Post
Is there piracy, of course? But take this in consideration..... a lot of everyday "home" users whom we so eagerly dismiss as uneducated don't know "how" to pirate and will thus pay the exorbitant prices we decry as foul rather than jump through the hoops just to get a pirated copy.
While I am sure some people buy the software, I think a lot of these "uneducated users"..also don't need or use MS office. Many might be using the copy of MS Works or the Corel Word Pefect suite that their computer came with.


Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by sygnus21 View Post
Example - I tell people all the time about the "free" Anti-Virus software Microsoft offers, yet they look at me like I'm speaking rocket science when telling the where to download it from and hold on to that paid program like they're holding on for a breath of air
Yes, many of the uneducated people have learned, over time and after problems, that they NEED an AV. And they grasp on very hard to this purchase as it's likely one of the only software purchases they have made (aside from games). They fear the crash of the computer, or the loss of their identity makes this purchase absolutely required. Kinda like doing taxes.


Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
There are so many LEGAL ways to get heavily discounted copies of MS Office that I'm not surprised at how good its selling at.

For as little as 5 USD you can get a (LEGAL) discounted version -- such as Use at Home etc so there isn't a huge reason to ignore MS office against FREE office suites.
Jimbo: Can you share one of these with me? Friend of mine at work needs office on her home computer for her son to write school papers (think he is in junior high school). Our company no longer can offer the Home Use Program. She isn't a student with a valid .edu address that can be used for the student and academic copies. I've shown her the link for MS Office at NewEgg, for the 3 user copy of MS Office for $114.99...but if I can legally obtain this in another manner for her, I would like to offer the suggestion to her.
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17 Jan 2011   #14
SIW2

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Ermm...

That is what comes from Windows having such market dominance.

MS Office is the de facto app.

Other makers of competing products do not compete on a level playing field - there are enormous barriers to entry.
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17 Jan 2011   #15
Stratos

Windows 7 Ultimate x64 / OS X Snow Leopard 10.6.8
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Layback Bear View Post
I don't use a Office program but I still wonder how Microsoft Office sells so well when every place, (forums) I go some one post that a free office program is just as good. If they are just as good why do people buy Microsoft Office???
Excellent point. If you're referring to OpenOffice, it is indeed quite good. In terms of compatibility with Office, that's also quite good. For the most part I believe OpenOffice should suffice for most of their needs, so why shell out the $$$ for a genuine MS Office Product?

First of all support. OpenOffice is open-source, no guarantee with support there. Second, add-in support/choices. Many MS Office users require the use of special add-ins for Excel for example. Not all MS Office add-ins are available for OpenOffice, not all add-ins that were available from say Office 2007 are available for Office 2010, yet.
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17 Jan 2011   #16
Layback Bear

Windows 10 Pro. 64/ version 1709
 
 

I must have not of stated my point correctly. Point being; Microsoft Office must be better than the free ones or people wouldn't be buying them in such large numbers. That many copies sold tells me, (non user) if I ever need a Office program Microsoft Office would be at the top of my shopping list. I do not tell people what to buy or not to buy.
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17 Jan 2011   #17
sygnus21

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Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
My stats aren't STATS, but rather come from gut instinct, reading the web, and working professionally in the IT field for almost 15 years now. Seems all of my friends and most people that I speak to on forums got their copy from a friend or from some other download from the Internet for no cost. In fact, many simply believe that "their computer came with Office for free". While I do understand that some computers do come with office, and some people checked the box and paid extra for office when they bought their computer....it's also true that in some instances their "computer friend" brought over a copy when they got their computer and set them up with it as they didn't want them to be stuck without it. Perhaps they don't even realize it...as many times it's not even worth explaining to the masses why we do what we do on the computer.
Well my "gut" instincts leans towards this - Almost 16 Million Office 2010 Copies Sold in 6 Months - Softpedia. Again, the vast majority of everyday joe smoes far outweigh those working in an IT department you worked in. And wheter you agree or not, there ARE far more legitimate users than you think, for whatever reason(s). Sorry.

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
I used to be the administrator of my current companies Home Use Program until we decided to not renew our Enterprise Agreement because we could no longer justify the cost of software assurance for our business. And I believe that since we no longer qualify for the Home Use Program that our end-users who did purchase the copy of the software are actually no longer entitled to use that software under the program. The same holds true for people who are no longer with the employer who provided the copy of the software that they were using. (Although, I doubt highly that Microsoft would actively go out and try to stop this use of the software).
Thankfully that's up to Microsoft. Anyway I seriously doubt Microsoft wants to dedicate the resources to go there, and also seriously doubt they were serious about this one.... despite what they may have said, intimated, or others interpret.

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
While I am sure some people buy the software, I think a lot of these "uneducated users"..also don't need or use MS office.
What do you say they need?


Anyway we'll agree to disagree and move on
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20 Jan 2011   #18
jimbo45

Linux CENTOS 7 / various Windows OS'es and servers
 
 

Hi there
I could use Open Office quite happily - and do on Linux systems -- but there IMO is absolutely NO EQUAL to EXCEL - especially if you are dynamically collecting data from the Web and feeding into programs such as ONLINE STOCK TRADING systems etc etc.

To me EXCEL is the Number ONE application in the office suite -- no other spreadsheet application even BEGINS to match it.

Years ago LOTUS 123 was a possible competitor to EXCEL but since IBM took it over with that absolute HORROR of an application known as LOTUS NOTES it's rather fallen behind.

Outlook is OK as an email program but others are just as good, MySQL is far far better as a DB system than MS ACCESS and Power point whilst good can easily be done equivalently in Open Office.

However I defy anybody - especially Power Users to find a spreadsheet application that even comes CLOSE to MS EXCEL.

Cheers
jimbo
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20 Jan 2011   #19
sygnus21

Windows 10 Pro
 
 

MY favorite Office apps....Word, Excel, Outlook. I've been using Microsoft Office both professionally and at home since 1997. My exclusive e-mail client and organizer is Outlook and is a must have app on my mobile phone… in addition to Word and Excel.

I built a Database of all my CD’s and Albums by artists, album name, songs, date released, etc using Access. I also have an Excel spreadsheet by artist and album.

In fact I use spreadsheets for everything and find they are great for organizing inventories.

I love Microsoft Office and couldn’t do without it.
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20 Jan 2011   #20
pparks1

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Layback Bear View Post
I must have not of stated my point correctly. Point being; Microsoft Office must be better than the free ones or people wouldn't be buying them in such large numbers. That many copies sold tells me, (non user) if I ever need a Office program Microsoft Office would be at the top of my shopping list. I do not tell people what to buy or not to buy.
Like others have said, these numbers include all enterprise licenses for Office. If a company has an enterprise agreement with software assurance for 10,000 desktops....the minute that Office 2010 becomes available to them via Microsoft, Microsoft counts this as 10,000 licenses for MS Office. My company had a 300 seat enterprise agreement with MS and we are on Office 2007. We have only rolled out Office 2010 on 10 computers. So, I would say we have 10 copies in Use, Microsoft would say we have purchased 300 copies.

Either way, Office is the de facto office application. It really is what most people use. I think if MS office were Free....hardly anybody would use Open Office....except for the diehard anti-MS zealots who gravitate towards anything not made by MS.

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Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
While I am sure some people buy the software, I think a lot of these "uneducated users"..also don't need or use MS office.
What do you say they need?
Who knows what they need, if anything. Lots of people just use a computer for Facebook, email, etc. They may need nothing as far as an office application goes.

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by sygnus21 View Post
And wheter you agree or not, there ARE far more legitimate users than you think, for whatever reason(s). Sorry.
I sincerely hope that is the case, I have always worked for commercial software companies so piracy is something that I certainly don't endorse. My suspicions about Office are the same as my suspicions about Adobe products like Photoshop. I think there are quite a number of people who use the software that didn't pay for the software. I certainly know personally a few people who paid the $600...but know of quite a few more who didn't. I just don't think that anti-piracy measures would be as prolific as they are these days if the vendors felt the overwhelming majority of people were paying for the software. Heck, even MS reduced the # of keys that a technet subscriber gets in the middle of a contract due to rampant piracy and selling of product keys and such. If a majority of customers were buying all of this stuff through legal, normal retail channels, I don't think changes like this would have been enacted.

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by sygnus21 View Post
Anyway we'll agree to disagree and move on
I can agree to that. Our experiences are different, so our opinions are different. Nothing wrong with that.

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by sygnus21 View Post
MY favorite Office apps....Word, Excel, Outlook
I just think it's too bad that Outlook isn't included in the Home and Student edition of Office. I think tons of home users could benefit from Outlook...it is a solid piece of software. But if I recall correctly, Office 2010 Home and Business (which is the cheapest offering with Outlook) is $279 for the retail boxed copy...not the product key card version that is 1 install to 1 machine only (like OEM...I think this version is $199).
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