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Windows 7: Intel Discloses Chip Glitch

02 Feb 2011   #91
Rhammstein

HP Win7 Pro x64 | Custom Win7 Pro x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by mikedl View Post
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These aren't CPU's fellows there the bridge chips and it's not near as clean. Hundreds of millions will be lost and many unseen issues. Literally entire mobo's will have to come back and be replaced/retro fitted. Intel wishes is was just in the CPU as that would be much cleaner swap/fix.
Indeed, linnemeyerhere, but think of the cost back in 1994 relative to the cost of chips today. This gaffe won't cost intel near as much as the FPU mistake did in today's dollars. It cost them 475 million dollars in 1995 dollars. I doubt this one will realize such figures.
Intel said about 1B, 700m for the main issue, and another 300m, I think I read it on PCmag, not sure. I only remember it's 1B.


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02 Feb 2011   #92
GeneO

Windows 10 Pro. EFI boot partition, full EFI boot
 
 

The replacement cost is $700m. They expect a $300m loss in Q1 revenue as they have stopped productions. However they expect it not to affect the 2011 full year revenue. So their expected loss is $700m. This is from their press release:

Intel Identifies Chipset Design Error, Implementing Solution
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02 Feb 2011   #93
Win7User512

Windows 7 x64 / Same
 
 

I wonder how they found this issue in the first place.
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02 Feb 2011   #94
Sardonicus

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Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Win7User512 View Post
I wonder how they found this issue in the first place.
Intel missed it.
It was found through OEM testing, from what I've read.
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03 Feb 2011   #95
mikedl

Windows 7 Ultimate x64 SP1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by GeneO View Post
The replacement cost is $700m. They expect a $300m loss in Q1 revenue as they have stopped productions. However they expect it not to affect the 2011 full year revenue. So their expected loss is $700m. This is from their press release:

Intel Identifies Chipset Design Error, Implementing Solution
It appears the 475 million dollar loss, in 1995 dollars, on the Pentium FPU is commensurate to the 700 million dollar loss, in today's dollars, on the Sandy Bridge error.

Can we call it a tie?

All of you dealing with this new technology are as fortunate as I was in 1994 to be on the cutting edge. I'm a bit behind these days. I wish I had to deal with this as I love new stuff!

intel has a history of correcting these types of things very quickly and correctly.
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03 Feb 2011   #96
Phone Man

Windows 8.1 Pro w/Media Center 64bit, Windows 7 HP 64bit
 
 

I believe Intel is looking at a $11B income for the first quarter. They also have quite of bit of cash on hand so they will do just fine.

Jim
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03 Feb 2011   #97
stve

Windows 7 Ultimate 64 bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by mikedl View Post
All of you dealing with this new technology are as fortunate as I was in 1994 to be on the cutting edge. I'm a bit behind these days. I wish I had to deal with this as I love new stuff!

intel has a history of correcting these types of things very quickly and correctly.
I remember the The Pentium floating point bug from 1994 & Intel tried to ignore it.
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Intel's initial public response stoked the flames, rather than calm them: the company set up a fax-back system to brief worried users. The message described the bug as a "subtle flaw" and estimated that the average "spreadsheet user" would encounter the problem only once in every 27,000 years. The idea that Intel wanted to get across was that the rest of the PC was bound to fall apart before your Pentium processor produced an incorrect answer. However the users immediately interpreted this as meaning that around 3 spreadsheet users a day worldwide would be getting erroneous results from their spreadsheets, with even more frequent errors for people doing serious scientific work. Most importantly, anyone doing iterative functions, where a variable is repeatedly calculated, could see the inaccuracies snowball through their calculations.

But above all, the question raised by the newsgroup was "Why didn't you tell us as soon as you knew that there was a problem, rather than keeping us in the dark?" The second question is invariably "Will you replace my chip" to which the answer seems to be "probably not". Unless you can show Intel that you are doing high powered mathematics that needs full double precision figures Intel is unlikely to oblige. To-date we only have two reported examples to draw on: one Pentium user; an undergraduate mathematics student says that he had his request for a replacement chip turned down, despite the fact that he could be doing these complex calculations on his PC. The other user, using his computer for medical analysis ("if you were going under the knife, would you want to know that the analysis may be wrong?") says that he was put on the list for a replacement after 10 minutes of discussion with an Intel rep.
Ooops!
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03 Feb 2011   #98
Win7User512

Windows 7 x64 / Same
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by p5bdkw View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Win7User512 View Post
I wonder how they found this issue in the first place.
Intel missed it.
It was found through OEM testing, from what I've read.
But I'm surprised someone found a flaw that, if it causes a failure at all, showed up in a much shorter time than expected.
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03 Feb 2011   #99
stve

Windows 7 Ultimate 64 bit
 
 

I expect I will be upgrading to a Intel Core i7-2600K this year its a great over-clocker.

Core i7-2600K Overclocked: Speed Meets Efficiency : Overclocking And Efficiency Go Hand-In-Hand
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03 Feb 2011   #100
essenbe

Windows 10 Pro/ Windows 10 Pro Insider
 
 

I may also. But I want to see what AMD's Bulldozer is first. Someone on these boards said that Bulldozer is to be released in March. I just want to see what all of my options are before I spend money on a new rig. Sounds like it will not be a delay anyway. Last I heard Intel says the new Sandy Bridge boards won't be out until April anyway. I'm not a fanboy of either, I'll use whichever one best suits my needs (wants really). Most of the better processors out now will suit my 'needs'.
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