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Windows 7: Download New Windows 7 Version, Windows Thin PC (WinTPC) in Q1, 2011

29 Mar 2011   #11
jimbo45

Linux CENTOS 7 / various Windows OS'es and servers
 
 

Hi there

This simply looks like another re-incarnation of "Thin Clients" or Diskless (or USELESS as we used to call them) workstations which people have been g (totally against the wishes of the USERS) trying to foist on the IT community since around 1975.

They weren't popular then and will be even less popular now -- even a small cheap netbook can run a FULL w7 version without any serious problems at all so what sort of "legacy" devices are we talking about here.

Tis type of application *might* be suited for Cloud Computing -- but implementation of that other than for basic email / banking type services is still a long way off (and might even be in "Cloud Cuckoo Land").

In any case a lot of companies are finally leeting USERS use their OWN hardware and find it's much better and cheaper to secure the NETWORK and allow users access to their own hardware.

I'm sure a user with a nice fast laptop at home won't want a dinosaur "tiny" diskless workstation to use at work. Also a lot of people take work home and / or work remotely too.

I think a lot will pass on this application as this definitely seems like "Yesterday's Technology Tomorrow" --long live Tyrannosaurus Rex.

Cheers
jimbo


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29 Mar 2011   #12
Ciara

Windows 7 Professional 64-bit SP1
 
 

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I'm sure a user with a nice fast laptop at home won't want a dinosaur "tiny" diskless workstation to use at work. Also a lot of people take work home and / or work remotely too.
Agree, I work from home two days a week (today being one of them) and Windows 7 pro build 7601 SP1 works just fine, never had a problem connecting and I can do personal stuff (like be here) at the same time
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29 Mar 2011   #13
Graemzy

Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit
 
 

i think thin clients are a good idea!

the place i just finished work experience just got one in to test it out. they run win xp. every user in the building was logged onto the main server using citrix. so really most of them apart from the few that needed some extra apps on there own machine, ie. apps for doin wages, where only using there own machine to log onto the server.

there was no need for there machine at all. all apps, drivers and files are on the server.

now i have only seen a small bit about the thin clients so i cant really say much but from what i seen it looked good. for that situation anyway.
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31 Mar 2011   #14
1994F7PT

Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 x64
 
 

for the cost of a thin client tho its worth investing in a small form pc, as the extra computing power is always a benefit no matter what.

in fact the acer veriton's i now use in place of the old thin clients that were installed at work years ago are cheaper than the replacement WYSE thin client units and a hell of a lot more versatile. i simply use remote apps to jump the users onto the server apps they require or mapped network drives to grab excel files etc to the local machine to edit/update etc
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02 Apr 2011   #15
jimbo45

Linux CENTOS 7 / various Windows OS'es and servers
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Graemzy View Post
i think thin clients are a good idea!

the place i just finished work experience just got one in to test it out. they run win xp. every user in the building was logged onto the main server using citrix. so really most of them apart from the few that needed some extra apps on there own machine, ie. apps for doin wages, where only using there own machine to log onto the server.

there was no need for there machine at all. all apps, drivers and files are on the server.

now i have only seen a small bit about the thin clients so i cant really say much but from what i seen it looked good. for that situation anyway.

Hi there

I think this is probably a special case -- most companies that now use a lot of computing power are either issuing people with Laptops (a lot are moving totally away from the "fixed" Workstation type of idea) or allowing people access to their Network using peoples OWN computers --still issues such as security needed but trend is going in the right direction.

Dont forget a lot of people who travel a lot and work remotely a huge amount of stuff such as presentations etc can be done on a LOCAL machine without any Network access required once the data has been downloaded from the central server.

Larger companies also have outsourced a lot of work to consultancy type companies too such as Accenture, PWC etc etc -- and these people need to access their OWN companies servers too mandating the use of a Laptop in most cases.

If a central network is down for maintenance / malicious attack, civil unrest or whatever and you only have diskless workstations and thin clients you are TOTALLY hosed up.

With people relocating central servers to cheaper and cheaper places - even INDIA is becoming too expensive for some companies as they try and save every last cent regardless of whether its worthwhile or not while they look for CHEAPER alternatives - the quality and robustness of the remote servers could be called into question quite considerably too.


Incidentally while people ARE looking for cheaper places to install IT infrstructure remember places like Bangladesh while looking a cheap alternative remember the downside that in these sort of countries irrespective of the quality and willingness of the local labour force to perform high quality work you are stuck with very real possibilities of significant outages due to Natural Causes -- floods, Tsunamis, Earthquakes etc.

The recent problems in Japan showed that if a sophisticated WEALTHY 1st world Country has problems with these types of events poorer countries such as Bangladesh would have ZERO chance of maintaining the infrastructure if these natural disasters occur and they will become increasingly likely in future too - global warming, sea levels rising etc etc.

Cheers

jimbo
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04 May 2011   #16
Buzzy

Windows 7 X64
 
 

This does exactly what you would expect really well.

Seems mad that it won't be available to authorised refurbishers to put on refurbished PC's - after all the sort of equipment being reused in the third world is exactly the hardware this is aimed at.

Odd decision as Microsoft (and Bill) have been pretty generous in the past with Office and XP licencing in these circumstances.

(only gripe is why include media player in the build if the codecs are excluded !!)
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12 May 2011   #17
fafhrd

Win 7 Ult + Starter, XP Pro +Home, 2kAS, Linux Mint 8, SuperOS
 
 

I loaded ThinPC onto a Virtualbox VM, allocating 1GB RAM and onto Virtual PC2007 on a netbook allocating 440MB.

It's not thin -an overweight footprint of 2.4GB for a new install without any downloaded extras, and the pagefile is turned off by default. So around 3-3.5GB total. 7 automatic updates for windows embedded came down the line plus IE9, no problem.

Sound, networks, internet, installing apps, setting up user accounts, applying a desktop theme, creating a VHD, activating by slmgr /ato all work fine, and once the UAC was reduced a notch it didn't feel like Vista resurrected.

F8 menu, Safe mode with networking, net user administrator /active:yes worked as expected -it was difficult to tell that this was built up out of the Windows 7 modular embedded building blocks.

Overall a slightly more pleasant experience than starter - but I've never run starter in 1440x795 before either.

But there are bugs - sharing a folder does not create a shared overlay for the icon for the folder. Action center tells you to get some protection, but after downloading MSE, it cannot install due to an unsupported OS. What else doesn't work - Windows Defender has nothing in control panel, and when you try to add Windows components and features - they have been disabled by some absentee administrator. Technet suggested 3rd party antimalware apps.

There are other deficiencies - In the start menu programs there is a system restore item which leads you to the missing system protection tab in the system properties, so there is no way to turn on system restore. There is no backup and restore in systems maintenance nor the link to create a system repair disk. Again, there are no apparent means to turn these features on.

Still there are more things available that you cannot do in starter - gpedit.msc, and rsop.msc are present, you can create a homegroup password, but I couldn't get this to work any further; and you can join a domain, manage users and groups. I did map shares in and out of the VM so networks were definitely working. Not so much locked down as locked out of the kitchen with no way to get to the pantry.

So overall not a bad experience, considering this is typical of the public beta testing that Microsoft likes to do - I am a ThinPC and this was My Idea! - but nowhere near ready to release to businesses yet unless they want to be overrun with malware.

I still think it is a cunning ploy to get users as far away from XP as possible, maybe so they go home from working at their ThinPCs and look at their old systems and decide to upgrade or buy new kit.
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