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Windows 7: Mozilla launches Firefox 4

23 Mar 2011   #131
Maguscreed

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Windows 7 x64
 
 

I don't like the integrated confirm boxes, my snap to option on my mouse no longer works with the browser. Nor does my photobucket uploader.

Slightly annoyed by the moving of the home button too.

Minor complaints I suppose but they are annoying me.


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23 Mar 2011   #132
Snowdog

Windows 7 x64 Home Premium
 
 

An update to the font issue.

Microsoft does it better in IE9. They switch GDI/DirectWrite font rendering depending on the page. So all the pages I find most problematic with DirectWrite Rendering on FF4, IE9 automatically switches to GDI rendering.

FF4 needs to do something similar or HW Acceleration stays off (and/or Microsoft needs to fix DirectWrite rendering to work better on smaller and colored fonts).
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23 Mar 2011   #133
smarteyeball

 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by blombardo View Post

This is what a browser MUST look like or I refuse to use it:


Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by s31 View Post

mozilla wont do anything because it's easily fixed
Exactly - example B:

New on top, old on bottom
Mozilla launches Firefox 4-whatsthehubub.jpg


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23 Mar 2011   #134
Maguscreed

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Windows 7 x64
 
 

I didn't like the tabs on top, of course switching them back to normal is just a right click away.
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23 Mar 2011   #135
blombardo

XP32 and 7 Ultimate64
 
 

Things change over time... That sounds an awful lot like the response issued by microsoft when they forced that ribbon interface down everyone's throats (long live office 2003... or Open Office with the classic text menu system) Microsoft alienated tens of thousands of techs by removing tons of features from its Windows 7 OS - tons of things that would have taken but a few moments of their time to allow customers to CHOOSE to use or Choose to forget about..

When companies take a good product - with a proven track record - and mash it up into something that looks and functions totally different - those companies are just sucker punching all the people who loved the old system.

I have a lot of appreciation for the developers at Mozilla - but they have dropped the ball on the interface changes... They should have done as they have in the past - and stayed with working under the hood - leave the interface alone or allow people to Choose to change it if they want something other than standard...

I appreciate those of you who enjoy the 'cute look' of things like the (awful) microsoft ribbon interface - or the (horrible) look of anything apple / safari related (where you have icons only and no text) I'm interested in the original look and feel - which is why I have a new state of the art windows 7 64bit OS that has menu systems and buttons in the same positions as they were ever since windows 3.1... No reason to change the interface - I know where everything is - just make it faster... maybe add a few new features - but don't go changing the way it looks so much that its a pain to find things.


And the suggestion of using 3.6 forever is just stupid - why waste your time typing that kind of useless ignorant comment? Trying to use an out dated browser is dangerous and futile as many sites will not be compatible with old tech after a matter of months... I'm not trying to start a flame war with a stranger - just stating the obvious...
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23 Mar 2011   #136
profdlp

Main - Windows 7 Pro SP1 64-Bit; 2nd - Windows Server 2008 R2
 
 

I'm with you all the way on the MS Office ribbon thing.

I do think there is a distinction between what you're saying here and the Firefox situation:
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by blombardo View Post
...Microsoft alienated tens of thousands of techs by removing tons of features from its Windows 7 OS - tons of things that would have taken but a few moments of their time to allow customers to CHOOSE to use or Choose to forget about...
As a lot of others besides myself have pointed out, changing things to suit your preferences in Firefox is a matter of a few mouse-clicks.

I wish the ribbon was so easily corrected...
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23 Mar 2011   #137
smsff7

Windows 7 Pro X64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by blombardo View Post
I don't understand why every last one of you are not also screaming about how HORRIBLE the new interface is! They moved everything into stupid positions that not only look bad, but slow down productivity. I refuse to use this crap until the interface is able to be restored to its original positioning. The only decent idea is a combined stop/reload button - but I still prefer to have them separate.

Join the mozilla thread if you have the same complaint:
https://support.mozilla.com/en-US/qu...#answer-150463

This is what a browser MUST look like or I refuse to use it:
I feel the same about the new look.

I know it can be changed back, but even then the tabs don't quiet look the same as they did for FF3.6
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23 Mar 2011   #138
profdlp

Main - Windows 7 Pro SP1 64-Bit; 2nd - Windows Server 2008 R2
 
 

If I had a complaint it would be the grotesque color my current theme gives me for the darkened background tab. It's the same color as something that came out of a baby who had eaten too many pureed peas.
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24 Mar 2011   #139
unifex

Windows 7 Ultimate (x64)
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by smsff7 View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by blombardo View Post
I don't understand why every last one of you are not also screaming about how HORRIBLE the new interface is! They moved everything into stupid positions that not only look bad, but slow down productivity. I refuse to use this crap until the interface is able to be restored to its original positioning. The only decent idea is a combined stop/reload button - but I still prefer to have them separate.

Join the mozilla thread if you have the same complaint:
https://support.mozilla.com/en-US/qu...#answer-150463

This is what a browser MUST look like or I refuse to use it:
I feel the same about the new look.

I know it can be changed back, but even then the tabs don't quiet look the same as they did for FF3.6

I do not understand these complaints. First of all, it is customizable and if you want, you can make it look like FF3.6 or even like Netscape. Second, personally I actually like the "new" interface - namely, the fact that most of the bars and things can be hidden, leaving more space for the actual web pages. Finally, I don't know what you guys do for a living, but in my book web browsing does not even come close to "productivity". I am sure, that most people are in the same boat.

For the record, I have no complaints about the ribbon, I keep it hidden and I like the clean look that gives.

Now, an update about the font blurriness - it does not happen with 64-bit builds! I am using the Minefield builds on my laptop with the hardware acceleration on and I have no problems whatsoever. On my Desktop I downloaded the 32-bit official version and yes, the fonts there were blurry until I unticked the hardware acceleration option. But the 64-bit build seems to be doing just fine.
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24 Mar 2011   #140
Nemix

Windows 7 Professional
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Snowdog View Post
Buggy how? I have been using it heavily since release without issue. The only thing I don't like is HW font rendering, but that is in Microsoft's hands. I simply turned off HW rendering and all is well.
Same experience here from me. And font rendering has only been a problem on 1 of the 3 boxes that I typically use.
I guess I should have been more specific, it's more or less interface bugs but bugs nonetheless.

- As you've both mentioned, blurry text due to Firefox 4 new hard acceleration but this could be a driver incompatibility problem with the graphics card used (Check Intel/AMD/NVIDIA for updated driver).

- New tab button bug, I have New Tab Homepage extension installed which is FF4 compatible. I set my new tab as my Homepage which is Google search, whenver I open a new tab (Google) the cursor stays at the URL line which drives me nuts cuz I'm thinking I'm typing in Google search. This does not happen in FF3.x and IE9.

- URL cursor bug, almost the same as above. Instead when I open a new tab (Google Homepage) and left click on the URL bar the whole line is not highlighted the cursor stays at the end of the URL line. Again this does not happen with FF3.x and IE9 and I've had this happen before with FF3.x on Linux.

Be great if you guys can help my resolve my problems above.

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