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Windows 7: Ribbon Explorer

05 Apr 2011   #31
severedsolo

Windows 7 Ultimate X64 SP1
 
 

You know, after my little spit and bile rant yesterday, I've been thinking about it.

This is just going to be like everytime Microsoft change the UI, You'll whinge and moan about it for the first couple of days, and switch it off. Then you'll force yourself to use it for a day, and suddenly you won't know how you did without it.


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05 Apr 2011   #32
DeaconFrost

Windows 7 Ultimate x64 SP1
 
 

I have to agree. Again, going back to my non-tech-savy users. When they quit complaining, and just started using the products, they realized how easy the ribbon was, and how all the options are visible on screen, rather than buried in menus and submenus. Once they decided to give it a try, they were off and running in no time. No productivity was lost.
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05 Apr 2011   #33
whs
Microsoft MVP

Vista, Windows7, Mint Mate, Zorin, Windows 8
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by DeaconFrost View Post
I have to agree. Again, going back to my non-tech-savy users. When they quit complaining, and just started using the products, they realized how easy the ribbon was, and how all the options are visible on screen, rather than buried in menus and submenus. Once they decided to give it a try, they were off and running in no time. No productivity was lost.
That's why a developer should not listen to the "average user" but just implement what he thinks is right. If they went by the average user, we would still live in the stone age - because people hate change, even if it is for the better.
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05 Apr 2011   #34
Mike Connor

Several, including Windows 7 x64 Ultimate
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by whs View Post
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Many users simply do not have the time to learn things like this
What time are we talking about. Learning the ribbon of a product takes 1 or 2 hours. And then you have a good base to deal with the ribbon of another product - e.g. going from Word to PowerPoint or WLMM. If it takes more that that, I would say they do not have the brains to learn it. But then they should stay away from computers.
Well, if everybody knew how to setup and operate their machines and software, we would be superfluous.........

Regards....Mike Connor
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05 Apr 2011   #35
Vertex

Windows 7 Ultimate 32 Bit, Windows Developer Preview, Linux Mint 9 Gnome 32 Bit
 
 

The ribbon was one of the best UI designs from MS when it comes to the new MS Paint, Wordpad, Office 2007 and 2010 and I love it BUT when it comes to Windows Explorer, managing files and folders, its a different thing and I don't want it to look like Office because I like the current design because that's what I got used to and many would agree.

I'd say they better stick with the current UI design of Windows Explorer or at least tweak it a little bit but not with the ribbon interface. They should not enforce the ribbon UI because we already know that a lot of people don't like it so just stick to a design which most of us like at this point. Yes, it can be learned but say that a lot of people would still be so frustrated with this and will do minimal effort to learn and they would have a negative feedback. Come on, remember Vista wasn't a bad OS when you learn how to tweak it but with a lot of new things enabled by default, a lot of people thought it was rubbish all along and it got a lot of negative feedback thus ruining its reputation.
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05 Apr 2011   #36
whs
Microsoft MVP

Vista, Windows7, Mint Mate, Zorin, Windows 8
 
 

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I like the current design because that's what I got used to
That is the killer argument for any progress.
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05 Apr 2011   #37
Win7User512

Windows 7 x64 / Same
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by severedsolo View Post
You know, after my little spit and bile rant yesterday, I've been thinking about it.

This is just going to be like everytime Microsoft change the UI, You'll whinge and moan about it for the first couple of days, and switch it off. Then you'll force yourself to use it for a day, and suddenly you won't know how you did without it.
That is how I've been looking at it. Instead of jumping to my own conclusions I took a step back to consider the change.

If this is indeed real and it comes to pass, it may be something that I won't be crazy about at first, but after using it will come to master and not be bothered.

My main concern is it takes up quite a bit of the window. I often have lots of files and folders in a window and that will be obtrusive when looking for files. Maybe they can cut it down a bit.
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05 Apr 2011   #38
fseal

Windows 7 x64 Ultimate
 
 

As long as it's hidable when you don't want it (and it looks like it is) then it shouldn't be a negative issue for anyone and in fact a positive issue for a lot.

You /can/ see why they did it though. There is WAY too much stuff that is needed daily hidden under the context menu for the general populous. And some actions are downright hostle like "New Folder" only showing up if you right click on "Empty Space" which sometimes can be non existant, which is why it was added to the current command bar in the W7 explorer GUI, but there are far too many options for that bar in it's current form.

So it completely makes sense to use the ribbon UI. In fact if the ribbon can easily and quickly be turned on and off with a single mouse click it'll actually take up LESS space during "normal" use that the current explorer wastes now...

I would only have a problem with it if it was unhidable (like the current command bar in the W7 explorer... grrr.)
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05 Apr 2011   #39
Mike Connor

Several, including Windows 7 x64 Ultimate
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Win7User512 View Post

My main concern is it takes up quite a bit of the window. I often have lots of files and folders in a window and that will be obtrusive when looking for files. Maybe they can cut it down a bit.
Indeed, that is my main reason for disliking various ribbons.

Regards....Mike Connor
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05 Apr 2011   #40
Mike Connor

Several, including Windows 7 x64 Ultimate
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by fseal View Post
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I would only have a problem with it if it was unhidable (like the current command bar in the W7 explorer... grrr.)
You can set that to autohide if you want;

How to Auto-Hide or Disable Command Bar (aka Folder Band) in Windows Vista and 7 Explorer? - Tweaking with Vishal

( Works on 7 x64 )

But in the meantime I have simply added the common functions to it, and removed them elsewhere. Takes a little getting used to, but does not waste so much screen space.
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