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Windows 7: For the nth time, they keep saying the PC is dead.

15 Jul 2011   #101
jimbo45

Linux CENTOS 7 / various Windows OS'es and servers
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by lehnerus2000 View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
Actually, look up desktop replacement laptops, there are quite a few that are rocking full HD displays. There are others that have i7 processors that can beat down an entire segment of desktops.
You'll always be able to cram more graphic cards, HDDs, RAM, SSDs and even CPUs into a desktop.

One of my friends wants to buy a $4K gaming laptop, because he wants to edit videos (occasionally).
He says it has to be a laptop because he writes emails and surfs the Internet, when he is on the bus to (and from) work.
He is only likely to edit videos when he is sitting at home.

I said that he would be better off buying a new laptop for his mobile activities and getting a monster desktop and an extra monitor for editing pictures and video.
Even if he spent $1K on a laptop, I'm sure my other friend could build him a monstrous desktop for $3K.

I'm willing to bet that it would massacre a $4K laptop in every category (except portability).
Hi there
I doubt if a 4,000 USD laptop would even be "Luggable" never mind portable.

Actually Netbooks are just fine for on the move stuff -- they are powered enough for Office type stuff etc -- and can easily power an external LCD screen often with HDMI.

For serious work your user could easily get an absolute wow of a desktop system for well under 3K -- even including an expensive 1000 USD or more 42 inch backlit plasma / LCD monitor !!!.

Don't waste your money on a large screen laptop -- and what Bus / subway train could you sit on (in ?) with enough space for a laptop with a 17 inch screen (any smaller would be a waste of time for serious video editing or even still Quality grade photography - Photoshop ) to do video editing -- even if you are used to doing texts in these places with two thumbs on a tiny phone screen.


My main hassle with laptops is not the CPU power actually - it's usually the limited amount of RAM you can stick in them -- I use Virtual Machines a lot -- usually these don't cause a huge amount of CPU consumption but theu do need RAM -- it would be nice to be able to fit at least 8GB RAM into a typical lap top / notebook. Even the small acer netbooks have enough CPU power to run a VM concurrently with your desktop OS.

Cheers
jimbo


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15 Jul 2011   #102
Windows Sniper

Windows 8.1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
I was thinking today about this and I came to a conclusion: desktops are obviously losing their flair. I think why is partly since gaming was one of the reasons why people bought desktops. Well, you can buy an XBOX 360 for probably more than half than what you spent on this desktop and play the latest and best games without issue.

Consoles have nipped sales of desktops some.

Also when I saw looking at my custom built case, I realized the reason why I decided to rebuild my old case. If you look at any stock, generic case from 2003 and compare it with a stock, generic case from recently you'll see it's almost the exact same. The same, mid-size metal box with a side access panel and a hard drive bay that screws out. The only difference is the stock, generic plastic face front that snaps on them. Hell, you could probably snap one off from a newer case and pop it onto an old one!

But when you look at a laptop from 2003 and compare it with one from now, the changes are huge! No longer are they 11 inch, 4:3 aspect ratio screens with resolutions less than a CRT monitor, they are 17 inch wide screens with 16:9 aspect rations with HD resolutions. No more do they have floppy drive or maybe a CD-R drive, they come with Blu-ray burners as either stock or a nice option. No more do they come with underclocked, modified pentium processors, they come now with core duo as a low end processor or maybe with a Sandy Bridge i7 with turbo boost.

Simply put, desktop manufacturers haven't made desktops something to be proud of. They come designed like it's a yearly update to put a new color on the same generic face front as last year's. They all look the same, but have different names affixed to them. There hasn't been a desktop from what I've seen has been designed not over the top like Alienware, nor under-designed like gateways.

Gee, I rebuilt my dell case simply because the case hinges open and not some a-hole access panel that is a bee sting to work in...
You Obviously Haven't Heard that the new Windows 8 Software is set to be able to Use and Read Xbox Discs.

What do you think that is going to do to Gaming.

Also what about this Cloud Service (Gaming On Demand) Where they Stream the Games to Your PC? If there is no Network YOu Cant Play At All...
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15 Jul 2011   #103
lehnerus2000

W7 Ultimate SP1, LM18.2 MATE, W10 Home, #All 64 bit
 
 
I wouldn't risk using a $4K laptop on Public transport

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
Don't waste your money on a large screen laptop -- and what Bus / subway train could you sit on (in ?) with enough space for a laptop with a 17 inch screen (any smaller would be a waste of time for serious video editing or even still Quality grade photography - Photoshop ) to do video editing -- even if you are used to doing texts in these places with two thumbs on a tiny phone screen.
Only buses and normal trains in Adelaide.

Actually some women broke the screen on his current laptop recently.
The bus stopped suddenly, she fell forward and forced it up against the corner of the seat in front of him.

He replaced it himself.
I think he said it cost $140 for a replacement screen.

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
My main hassle with laptops is not the CPU power actually - it's usually the limited amount of RAM you can stick in them -- I use Virtual Machines a lot -- usually these don't cause a huge amount of CPU consumption but theu do need RAM -- it would be nice to be able to fit at least 8GB RAM into a typical lap top / notebook.
The more expensive laptops seem to come with 8 GB here in Australia.

I couldn't afford to get 8 GB when I replaced my motherboard; so I had to settle for 4 GB.
I can only really run one VM at a time now.
I have quite a few setup for my personal use and my Networking course (W2K8, Windows 7 32 bit, XP, Ubuntu, Fedora, Mint).

How would I do that in the "Cloud"?
How much would it cost me?
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15 Jul 2011   #104
jp07764

Windows 7 64-bit
 
 

I was in best buy a few weeks ago.
I noticed that all the PCs are moved
out of view and they only have 5 on display.
The rest is laptops and tablets.
The PC will be dead if stores do not want to sell them any more.
Even online there are not many to choose from.

Just my 2 cents.
Jimmy
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15 Jul 2011   #105
HammerHead

win 7 X64 Ultimate SP1
 
 
Not to Worry

I would compare the statement "The desktop is dead" to electric cars, ethanol fuel amd three D movies. It ain't gonna' happen. Further more cloud computing wil be limited to those who are computer illiterate.

I can always claim I was taken out of context.
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16 Jul 2011   #106
Boastree

Win7 Ultimate
 
 

As someone that knows something of computers I would not be caught dead in a Best Buy store.
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16 Jul 2011   #107
digitalrurouni

Windows 7 x64 Pro
 
 

There are many people that no diddly squat about computers. And Best Buy caters to them and their level of knowledge. I don't remember the last time I bought a desktop because I always build them on my own. To me a desktop is never going to die because I don't trust the cloud and I love having all the horsepower in the world. I do my development work on my pc, and I do my gaming on my pc as well. It is interesting though because in the gaming industry all of a sudden it looks like PC gaming is picking back up. Case in point is John Carmack being quoted as saying it was a mistake to develop Rage for the consoles first and then on the PC. And look at Battlefield 3 and also take a look at Witcher 2. PC versions came out first and then whatever they cannot make work on a console they will take out. I am sure that is going to make the next generation consoles quite interesting because of the HUGE gap between a PC and a console. Anyway where was I...PCs are not dead.
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17 Jul 2011   #108
jimbo45

Linux CENTOS 7 / various Windows OS'es and servers
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by digitalrurouni View Post
There are many people that no diddly squat about computers. And Best Buy caters to them and their level of knowledge. I don't remember the last time I bought a desktop because I always build them on my own. To me a desktop is never going to die because I don't trust the cloud and I love having all the horsepower in the world. I do my development work on my pc, and I do my gaming on my pc as well. It is interesting though because in the gaming industry all of a sudden it looks like PC gaming is picking back up. Case in point is John Carmack being quoted as saying it was a mistake to develop Rage for the consoles first and then on the PC. And look at Battlefield 3 and also take a look at Witcher 2. PC versions came out first and then whatever they cannot make work on a console they will take out. I am sure that is going to make the next generation consoles quite interesting because of the HUGE gap between a PC and a console. Anyway where was I...PCs are not dead.
Hi there
perhaps we should change the name of the thread to CONSOLES are dead.

Newer PC's not only need decent horse power to run the games but more importantly for realistic effects they need LARGE HIGH QUALITY SCREENS which means higher power high quality graphics / GPU's as well.

Anybody who'se messed about with these know how hot they can become --fitting them into a console is not even a close possibility.

Even an XBOX is almost morphing into a PC.

Don't forget also the next (but one) generation will want Virtual Reality or even better holographic systems for the ultimate experience -- this will need even by todays standards an exponential increase in compute power -- no console will ever do this unless you can store huge amounts of power into a small device for holographic projection.

I think 3-D itself is only a transient phase to VR / Holographic systems.

The actual 3-D experience is really disappointing anyway --especially with those stupid glasses -- it's an orphan technology that won't go anywhere sensible.

You can end up feeling let down and a little bit seasick -- and what they are showing in 3-d is totally junk anyway. Some sport works a bit but you tend to miss the overall perspective of the game as the view is too narrow at times.

(Slightly OT but sooner or later the question of 3-D on computers / games will rear its head).

Cheers
jimbo
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17 Jul 2011   #109
Bertison

Windows 7/64 HPremium.
 
 

Is it not a case of "Horses for courses", as we say in the UK?

There are as many different applications and uses for computing, as there are individuals using them. Personally, my own needs are as uncomplicated as the way I have learned computing. I am not a gamer (but I understand and appreciate that millions are). As a Senior who came late to computing, I often struggle with the latest technology, but I have a PC genius of a grandson who tries hard to reach my few working brain cells. As a result, I have recently set up my own laptop - PC network in Windows 7. Many of you will not understand, some may scoff, at my pride in doing this. Think for a while, those of you who grew up with a PC at your elbow. I grew up a poor in a house which was the last in my village to have a TV. I am now 66 and I did not use a PC until well into my 50's. My point? -

- There are many uses for computing. Don't denigrate every advance in technology. Just because you have no use for it, does not mean that it will find a niche, somewhere. If it doesn't, it joins the Apple Newton and other "White Elephants" left behind.
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17 Jul 2011   #110
Coke Robot

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

Yep, 3D is nothing more than the bridging technology to true 3D, holographic imagery.
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