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Windows 7: Major ISPs agree to "six strikes" copyright enforcement plan

17 Sep 2011   #31
toetag

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Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Sub Styler View Post
Yeah the whole scaring money out of pirates has been tried here by lawers in the UK, ACS:Law tracked the IP addresses of clients connecting to certain torrents (which i believe they floated anyway) then got the isp's to release over 4000 names and address' and then mass mailed them threatening legal action which they could make go away for 500. Then after coming under investigation they sold all that personal data to another company who again mass mailed everyone asking for a slightly reduced ammount and included with the letter a news report from the BBC about a sucessful claim (not by them) against some woman a few years ago. This BBC report was ripped directly from the website and BBC which is copyright theft as the BBC do not allow its content to be used for such comercial puposes without their prior written consent (which they didnt have and likely wouldnt get) so the lawyers became the law breakers, haha

love it lol


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17 Sep 2011   #32
lehnerus2000

W7 Ultimate SP1, LM18.2 MATE, W10 Home, #All 64 bit
 
 
How much ...

How much money do the actual content producers get from these lawsuits?

I'm betting the money goes straight into the CEO's yearly bonuses.
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20 Sep 2011   #33
Layback Bear

Windows 10 Pro. 64/ version 1709
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by LiquidSnak View Post
I'm glad to see a crackdown on copyright infringement and the like. Hopefully this will cover stuff like operating systems and other software, rather than just music and videos. A torrent found OS is just asking for trouble.
Agree 100% with you LiquidSnak.
Let me see if I get this correct. Some people are upset because it's going to be more difficult to take things from others without paying for it or getting their permission. To me stealing from a large company is no different than stealing from you neighbor.
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20 Sep 2011   #34
Skulblaka

Windows 8 Professional 64-bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Layback Bear View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by LiquidSnak View Post
I'm glad to see a crackdown on copyright infringement and the like. Hopefully this will cover stuff like operating systems and other software, rather than just music and videos. A torrent found OS is just asking for trouble.
Agree 100% with you LiquidSnak.
Let me see if I get this correct. Some people are upset because it's going to be more difficult to take things from others without paying for it or getting their permission. To me stealing from a large company is no different than stealing from you neighbor.
Charging over $250,000 for 12 songs based on "damages"?
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20 Sep 2011   #35
seekermeister

W7x64 Pro, SuSe 12.1/** W7 x64 Pro, XP MCE
 
 

It seems to me, that those that feel that this kind of behavior on behalf of the ISPs is good are missing the point. By this method of action, a person is guilty until proven innocent, and worse than that, the ISPs don't need any real proof that a person may be guilty...only a charge brought by an paranoid, greedy organization, whose only interests are their own. It has nothing to do with what is either legal or right. As far as the idea of other software manufacturers following suit, I sure hope that they are wiser than that.
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20 Sep 2011   #36
lehnerus2000

W7 Ultimate SP1, LM18.2 MATE, W10 Home, #All 64 bit
 
 
Guilty Unless Proven Innocent

Notice how more and more "crimes" now fall into that category.

If a speed camera photographs your car speeding, you are sent a fine and threat in the mail!
My State Government has also changed the law, so that if you challenge the Police in court and win, you still have to pay court costs.

This is just a Mafia-style protection racket.
"Pay us $1000 and we won't cause any trouble."

I'd have fewer objections, if the money went to the actual artists (not the corporations).

If these "content producers" want ETERNAL copyright, they should have to provide the content to the public, ETERNALLY.
It should be readily accessible (i.e. at your local supermarket) and at a sane price.

If "software producers" want to "hop on the bandwagon", then it should apply to them too (i.e. if I want a Windows 98 CD, then I should be able to buy it at my local PC store/supermarket).

If the "producers" can't provide the content, then the product should become "Public Domain".
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21 Sep 2011   #37
lhorwinkle

Win 7
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by z3r010 View Post
Except that it hosts absolutely no copyright content what so ever.
The court said otherwise, didn't it?
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21 Sep 2011   #38
lhorwinkle

Win 7
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by lehnerus2000 View Post
If a speed camera photographs your car speeding, you are sent a fine and threat in the mail!
And, so? You commit a (minor) crime, you get caught, you pay the price! So what?
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This is just a Mafia-style protection racket. "Pay us $1000 and we won't cause any trouble."
Nope.
MAFIA EXTORTION: We will commit a crime unless you pay us.
COPYRIGHT ISSUE: You commit a theft, and (maybe) the law catches up to you.
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I'd have fewer objections, if the money went to the actual artists (not the corporations).
We don't own the property, so we have no say-so about the proceeds.
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If these "content producers" want ETERNAL copyright, they should have to provide the content to the public, ETERNALLY.
We don't own the property. The sale and availability of the property is decided by the owners, not by the buyers.

I have no doubt that you're sincere about your wishes. But keep in mind that you don't govern things that you don't own.
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21 Sep 2011   #39
lehnerus2000

W7 Ultimate SP1, LM18.2 MATE, W10 Home, #All 64 bit
 
 
They don't have to prove that YOU committed the crime.

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by lhorwinkle View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by lehnerus2000 View Post
If a speed camera photographs your car speeding, you are sent a fine and threat in the mail!
And, so? You commit a (minor) crime, you get caught, you pay the price! So what?
So what?!!!
They don't have to prove that YOU committed the crime.

Example1:
I "borrow" your car (without your knowledge or approval).
I speed around the city.
I return your car.
You receive 1000s of dollars of fines in the mail.
You have to prove you weren't driving and pay the court costs!

Example 2:
I hack your computer.
When you're not using it, I download copyrighted (or illegal) material.
I transfer the data elsewhere.
I delete the evidence of my hack.
RIAA:
"We represent a group of multi-million dollar corporations and we'll take you to court and make your life a living hell for multiple years. On the other hand you can pay us $1000 and we'll go away."
You:
"But I didn't do anything!"
RIAA:
"See you in court."
An investigation of your hardware, shows that the material was on your computer.
An investigation of your ISP records, shows that you downloaded the material (it also shows that you transferred it).
You get to pay $250,000 (per mp3) plus court costs.

If I used your computer to distribute child porn, you'd get to go to gaol.
Even if you are exonerated (and how long would that take) the public will only remember that you are a pervert.

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by lhorwinkle View Post
COPYRIGHT ISSUE: You commit a theft, and (maybe) the law catches up to you.
They don't have to prove that YOU committed the crime.
According to these corporations, you don't own anything you paid for (except when it suits them).

Example 3:
I purchase an e-book from some legal online provider.
The copyright owner decides to remove it from distribution.
The online provider deletes it from my device (without my permission).

These groups are the new Mafia:
  • They buy politicians (just like the Mafia did).
  • They have laws changed to suit themselves (just like the Mafia did).
  • They use standover tactics against ordinary people (just like the Mafia did).
  • They basically do whatever they like (just like the Mafia did).
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by lhorwinkle View Post
I have no doubt that you're sincere about your wishes. But keep in mind that you don't govern things that you don't own.
You don't necessarily "govern" what you "own" either (even in the US).

Two or three years ago Fox News () was ranting about corporations forcing people off of their properties (backed by local government) because they wanted to build there.
The owners received nominal compensation.

In Australia, mining companies are allowed to mine on your land, because you are only allowed to own the surface, the Government owns everything else (airspace and minerals).
The companies can choose the level of compensation you receive.

Currently there is a big stink about Coal Seam Gas mining.
The land owners receive $5000/year per well (from one company).
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22 Sep 2011   #40
Trucidation

 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by lhorwinkle View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by z3r010 View Post
Except that it hosts absolutely no copyright content what so ever.
The court said otherwise, didn't it?
The court can rule whatever it likes, but how torrents work tells me it's pretty much impossible that piratebay actually hosted the material. Where is this proof that it was?
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