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Windows 7: SSDs are fast, but do they last?

01 Aug 2011   #21
Dave76

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Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Lebon14 View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Dave76 View Post
Have you been writing a lot to it?
It will start 'Lifetime Throttling'.

Or it might need to run garbage collection, let your system sit at login for at least two hours at least once a week, this has worked for others.
Wait... what? Really?! I never knew about that!
I don't really write to it much myself, but Windows does haha. Well, ok, I can let it sit ther everyday if I want to... I leave my PC open most of the time, so, let it sit at logon is just an other place to let it sit haha.
The first time it may take a little longer but on a weekly basis a couple hours should be enough, unless you're doing heavy writes.


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01 Aug 2011   #22
Tarka Dal

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Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by smarteyeball View Post

A dead HDD is just as useless as a dead SSD.

Rubbish! You can transfer the disc to another drive to recover all the info on it. You can't with an SSD.


Supplement:
An SSD is only useful for the OS. So it only needs to be 60GB.
Having an SSD for important info is like taking a chance with having an apple on your head. Somebody is likely to shoot at it!
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01 Aug 2011   #23
sygnus21

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We get that you're not in favor of SSD's but it seems to me that you're arguing just for the sake of arguing as you've not provided any valid points against other than cost, which I do agree.

BTW spinner drives can lock up in such a way that it's impossible to pull data off them as well. Also anyone using a computer should always do backups, which is pretty much common practice nowadays.

My two cents.
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01 Aug 2011   #24
Tarka Dal

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Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by sygnus21 View Post
We get that you're not in favor of SSD's but it seems to me that you're arguing just for the sake of arguing as you've not provided any valid points against other than cost, which I do agree.

BTW spinner drives can lock up in such a way that it's impossible to pull data off them as well. Also anyone using a computer should always do backups, which is pretty much common practice nowadays.

My two cents.
I'll keep quite then....Nah!
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01 Aug 2011   #25
Outlander

W7x64 Ult.
 
 

I suspect the writing is on the wall for spinners. SSD is faster and in my America speed rules. Instant gratification trumps reliability for many people myself included. If my SSD fried tonight I would just order a faster one and move ahead. If that fried, another one would be in the mail shortly.. Failure is an option when the feel good glass is overflowing. Plus... spinners are just boring at this point! Shallow Huh?
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01 Aug 2011   #26
GeneO

Windows 10 Pro. EFI boot partition, full EFI boot
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Runckle_SP1 View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by smarteyeball View Post

A dead HDD is just as useless as a dead SSD.

Rubbish! You can transfer the disc to another drive to recover all the info on it. You can't with an SSD.


Supplement:
An SSD is only useful for the OS. So it only needs to be 60GB.
Having an SSD for important info is like taking a chance with having an apple on your head. Somebody is likely to shoot at it!
The biggest problem with SSDs right now is compatibility - it is not reliability or lifetime. If you can find a SSD that is compatible with your SATA chipset, then it should last longer than a hard drive under normal use. A lot of the new batch of SSDs are having problems with the new SATA chipset implementations, particularly power management features on the Sandybridge.

Capacity on an SSD is not just about how many GB you can fit on it. Higher capacity SSDs of the same model have more NAND chips and are thus, in general, faster than their smaller counterpart. In addition an SSD, depending on the make and model, will perform poorly if it is nearly full. Garbage collection ad TRIM are stressed under these conditions and write speeds can suffer. If you can afford it, a 128GB SSD will, in general, perform better than a tightly packed 64GB SSD. In any case a 64GB SSD will perform so much better than a hard drive in boot and program launch times - enough so you might find the difference in performance between a 64GB and 128GB SSD negligible in comparison.
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02 Aug 2011   #27
seekermeister

W7x64 Pro, SuSe 12.1/** W7 x64 Pro, XP MCE
 
 

Too expensive for me. The only thing that could possibly entice me to pay the current price for one of them, is if it would bump encoding speed in the way that it does OS performance, but since encoding already saturates my x6 CPU as things are, I seriously doubt that would be possible.
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02 Aug 2011   #28
Tarka Dal

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Like I say the majority of people will not bother purchasing an SSD, so the price won't be coming down in a hurry.
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02 Aug 2011   #29
seekermeister

W7x64 Pro, SuSe 12.1/** W7 x64 Pro, XP MCE
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Runckle_SP1 View Post
Like I say the majority of people will not bother purchasing an SSD, so the price won't be coming down in a hurry.
I don't expect prices to fall rapidly, but not because of the people that won't pay the price, but because of those that do. It is those that hold out that will eventually cause prices to fall, because the manufacturers will want to entice them.
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02 Aug 2011   #30
smarteyeball

 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Runckle_SP1 View Post


Rubbish! You can transfer the disc to another drive to recover all the info on it. You can't with an SSD.

Hardly rubbish.

If by 'transferring the disc to another drive' involves moving delicate parts like platters etc to another drive, then the validity of that recovery method automatically eliminates the vast majority of home users.

The percentage who go to such lengths to recover data are minuscule in comparison to those who do not. The same applies to SSD drives.

The most common fault with SSD's lie with the controllers - not the nand that that contains the data. Replace controller, recover data. Once again however, what percentage of users would go to such lengths?

Mechanical HDD's may have a few more 'second chance tricks' available compared to SSD's, but regardless of drive, once they are dead, they are dead. Kaput. Broken. Inoperable. Unusable. In short - they are ****ed. They have ceased to function. Not even Christ himself armed with a bagful of miracles can recover data from a dead drive.


So for all intents and purposes, to the vast majority of consumers; a dead HDD is as good as a dead SSD.
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