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18 Dec 2011
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#11
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Quote: Originally Posted by seekermeister

Quote: Originally Posted by Phone Man
Its only on some models. WD will still have 5 yr on the Black and enterprise models. Seagate will also still have 5 yr on some models. I have not seen any direct information from WD or Seagate as to the exact changes but need to check their sites and see what can be found. I did read some were that Seagate would have a different warranty period for "retail drives" and "bulk drives" like they and WD had years ago. The retail drives are the ones in the fancy box and you usually find in a retail shop. The bulk drive are the ones is a plain box and found online and usually cheaper. Will have to see after Jan 1 and see how this shakes out. As a consumer we will really have to watch what we buy and from whom. Here is a link to WD current policy. Will have to check after Jan 1 and see what changes.
WD Support / Warranty Services / End User / Worldwide Warranty Policy and Limitations
Jim 
I wonder if that warranty data is the most current, because it conflicts with the info in the Maximum PC article on the length of the Caviar Blacks? It is times of shortages that changes like this seem to occur. I wonder if it will remain the same when the supply returns to normal?
EDIT: I think that you may be right about needing to check back after the first of the year, because I had missed the part about the delayed changes. But I didn't see anything on their warranty page that seemed to specifically say that Black and Enterprise drives would remain as they have been.
I have subscribed to MaximumPC for years but I don't think they got their facts correct. The link to the WD warranty page is the current information and will have to wait for an update. The Cavier Black which it what I use in all my systems have a 5 year warranty, that is why I question MaximumPC as they say the Blacks will "remain" at 3 years. They need better proof readers to get the facts straight. Like I said we need to get the facts from Seagate and WD for the real story.
Jim
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Computer type PC/Desktop
System Manufacturer/Model Number Home Built
OS Windows 8.1 Pro w/Media Center 64bit, Windows 7 HP 64bit
CPU Phenom II X6 1100T
Motherboard ASUS M5A99X EVO
Memory Crucial Balistic 8gb DDR3-1866 CL9
Graphics Card MSI R6850 Cyclone IGD5 PE
Sound Card On Board
Monitor(s) Displays ASUS VE258Q 25" LED with DVI-HDMI-DisplayPort
Screen Resolution 1920 x 1080
Keyboard Logitech K120
Mouse Logitech Marble Mouse USB, Logitech Precision Game Pad
PSU Seasonic X650 80 Plus GOLD Modular
Case Corsair 400R
Cooling Antec Kuhler H2O 620, Two 120mm and four 140mm
Hard Drives Two WD Cavier Black 2TB Sata III, WD My Book Essential 2TB USB 3.0
Internet Speed 15MB
Antivirus Norton IS 2013, Malwarebytes Pro Beta 2
Browser IE-11, FF-27
Other Info APC UPS ES 750, Netgear WNR3500L Gigabit & Wireless N Router with SamKnows Test Program, Motorola SB6120 Gigabit Cable Modem. Brother HL-2170W Laser Printer, Epson V300 Scanner
19 Dec 2011
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#12
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Quote: Originally Posted by SledgeDG
my latest WD died just 20 days out of warranty!!!!
I'm not wasting any more money on them that's for sure
-DG
It's a roll of the dice, I don't think that WDC has built in obsolescence to correspond to the warranty expiration, but whether they do or not, obviously the longer the warranty period the better.
I'm not going to say that WDC drives are better than Seagate, but their warranty support definitely is.
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System Manufacturer/Model Number DIY
OS W7x64 Pro, SuSe 12.1/** W7 x64 Pro, XP MCE
CPU Phenom II 1090T w/Noctua NH-D14 /**4400+ X2 w/CM Hyper TX 3
Motherboard ASRock 890FX Deluxe 4/**A8N-SLI
Memory 2 x 2GB Patriot PGS34g1600LLKA/**4x1GB Corsair VS
Graphics Card EVGA GTX460 SC/**EVGA 8800GTS
Sound Card Asus Xonar D2X/**Xonar D1
Monitor(s) Displays Acer X233H, Dell E152FPc /**LG M237-WD
Screen Resolution 1920x1080 & 1024x768/**1980x1080
Keyboard Logitech Media USB/**Saitek Eclipse
Mouse Cordless Trackman Wheel/**Ditto
PSU CM RS600 w/ APC BX1000G/**Antec 500 TP w/ APC BX1000
Case HAF922/**Antec 1040IIB
Cooling 3x200mm, 1x140 and 1x120mm/**5x80mm fans
Hard Drives WDC 2TB, 1.5TB, 1TB, 500GB,Seagate 500GB , Maxtor 80GB /**500GB Seagate & WDC 1TB Black
Internet Speed 3.3Mbps
Other Info SB 560 5.1 w/ Sennheiser RS140/**Creative T20 speakers, Dvico FusionHDTV7 Gold RT, Cisco E3000, HP 5510V AIO, Linksys E3000, Belkin F5U237 hub and **F5D8055 adapter
(** = 2nd rig)
19 Dec 2011
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#13
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Quote: Originally Posted by oneextraid
Make them cheaper, die sooner, sell more and make more money. American automobile industry business model.
But Toyota has proved to the Americans that the model does not work.
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Computer type PC/Desktop
System Manufacturer/Model Number Less is more
OS Windows 7 Ultimate x64 SP1
CPU Core i7 2600k (4.6GHz)
Motherboard ASUS P8Z68 Deluxe (3603)
Memory 16GB G.SKILL Ares 1600MHz
Graphics Card MSI R6970 Lightning
Sound Card Asus Xonar Essence ST (UNi drivers 1.41)
Monitor(s) Displays Samsung P2570, CrossOver 27Q LED-P
Screen Resolution 1920*1080, 2560*1440
Keyboard CM Storm Trigger (Brown Switch)
Mouse Logitech G400
PSU Seasonic X750
Case Lian-Li PC-P80N
Cooling NZXT HAVIK 140 (2x GELID Wing12PL Push/Pull)
Hard Drives 256GB OCZ Vector, 2x Hitachi 4TB (7K4000), Hitachi 3TB (7K3000 & 5K3000)
Internet Speed 55Mbps/10Mbps
Other Info Speakers - Klipsch ProMedia 2.1
Headphones - Sennheiser HD595
Router - ASUS RT-N66U
Webcam - Logitech C910
19 Dec 2011
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#14
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Why do you think Obama had to bail out GM and Chrysler. They haven't caught up to Japanese quality.
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System Manufacturer/Model Number Home Built
OS Windows 7 SP1 x64
CPU AMD 9850 X4
Motherboard ASUS
Memory Corsair
Graphics Card ATI Radeon
Sound Card Sigmatel
Monitor(s) Displays Dell
Screen Resolution 1600X900
Cooling Corsair H60
Hard Drives (1) WD 1TB
Internet Speed UVerse 12MB
19 Dec 2011
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#15
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It'll work out, HDDs prices will rise and SSDs will take over which will bring prices down eventually.
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Computer type PC/Desktop
System Manufacturer/Model Number Home Built Desktop By DataTech
OS Windows 7 Ultimate X64 SP1
CPU Intel i5-2550K, Differing ~4.4-4.8GHz No built in GPU
Motherboard ASUS P8Z68-V PRO/GEN3
Memory 16GB G.Skill Sniper 1866MHz @ 2133MHz 2x8GB
Graphics Card ASUS GTX650TIB-DC2OC-2GD5, (650TI Boost)
Sound Card Onboard Realtek 5-1
Monitor(s) Displays Samsung P2570HD
Screen Resolution 1920x1080
Keyboard E-Z Eyes, bright yellow keys with large characters
Mouse steelseries SENSEI Laser Pro Gaming
PSU Corsair HX650W
Case Inwin Dragon Rider
Cooling Hyper 212 EVO w/two Noctua fans, push-pull, @1300 RPM
Hard Drives Samsung 840 Pro 256GB SSD for OS, 500GB Seagate Constellation (Enterprise drive) for Data
Internet Speed 48-51Mbs Mbs down, 11 Mbs up Xfinity Cable
Antivirus Norton Internet Security 2013
Browser IE 10, Opera, Pale Moon if needed
Other Info 4 case fans, LG BluRay-RE, ASUS DVD-RW, Mr. Fusion power supply, 1.21 gigawatts.
19 Dec 2011
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#16
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Just seems like really poor timing to hit the consumer with warranty reductions at the same time prices hitting these weather induced highs.
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Computer type PC/Desktop
System Manufacturer/Model Number A blend of brains, brawn and dumb luck.
OS Windows 7 Ultimate 64
CPU i7 3770k OC'd 4.6 @ 1.17v, also FX 8120 & i5 miniITX
Motherboard MSI P67A-GD80 b3
Memory 32 gb G.Skill Sniper DDR3 10-12-12-31 @ 2133
Graphics Card XFX Radeon 7870 2GB DDR5
Sound Card Sound Blaster Z Series Card
Monitor(s) Displays (2) LG LED 23" 1920 x 1080 2ms Monitors via mini d-port
Screen Resolution 1680 X 1050 p
Keyboard (2) Logitech Illuminated Keyboards (1) usb (1) wireless
Mouse Logitech G700 & T-BC21 - nano nx for the laptop
PSU EVGA modular 1000G2 80% gold rating & APC 1200 RS
Case CoolerMaster Storm Styker
Cooling 7 case fans 140mm & 120mm, NZXT Kraken X60
Hard Drives Samsung 256 gb 830 SSD sata III
(1) 1 tb WD Black
(2) 1 tb Hitachi deskmates/sata II
(2) 1 tb WD green/sata II
(2) 3 tb Seagate Barracuda
(1) 120 gb OCZ Vertex SS
(1) Drobo 5N w/5 Seagate 3tb
Internet Speed Upgraded from bottom of the barrel to just ok
Antivirus Trend Micro Titanium Max Security & Malwarebytes Premium
Browser Chrome and IE 10
Other Info 5 Noctua case fans + 3 Noctua in p/p on NZXT cooler
Integrated hot swap drive bays for 2.5" Drives
(2) Lite-on dvd/cd/Blu Ray optical 22X
Integrated fan controller and led on/off
HP Officejet Pro L7680 all-n-one
HP 4 laserjet (the beast)
Hot swappable 3.5" hard drive bay
Belkin Play N600 HD router
Asus USB 3 & sata 6 PCIe card
Vantec IDE to sata adptr./Ultra sata adptr
Lenovo L420 i5 lappy with m
19 Dec 2011
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#17
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Quote: Originally Posted by oneextraid
Make them cheaper, die sooner, sell more and make more money. American automobile industry business model.
To quote Metallica: "Sad but true."
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System Manufacturer/Model Number Dell Inspiron 1520 (Laptop)/ Home (Desktop)
OS Windows 7 x64 / Same
CPU Intel Core 2 Duo T7250 / Intel Core i7 930
Motherboard Intel 945 / Asus P6X58D-E
Memory 4GB / 6GB
Graphics Card NVIDIA GeForce 8400M GS / ASUS 1GB
Sound Card Whatever Dell gave me :-( / Onboard
Monitor(s) Displays 15.4" LCD / Crappy CRT
Mouse Microsoft Presenter (Bluetooth)
PSU N/A / OCZ Fatal1ty 550W Modular
Case N/A / Antec 900
Cooling Air
Hard Drives Seagate 500GB SATA; 7200 RPM / Seagate 1TB SATA; 7200 RPM
19 Dec 2011
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#18
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The article has a mistake. They say the WD Caviar black remains at 3yrs. It is actually 5 years now so they have reduced it by 2 years - if the rest of the article is correct.
Most brand HDD drives nowadays are very reliable. - I haven't had one die in ages and I have 6 externals and 6 internals - if you operate them in a proper environment and know their limitations (e.g. I have two old crappy Seagate external Freeagent drives I don't turn on often or for very long because they get way too hot).
Now I have probably cursed one of my hard drives to failure.
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Computer type PC/Desktop
System Manufacturer/Model Number Home built (GeneO industries)/Model 4
OS Windows 10 Pro. EFI boot partition, full EFI boot
CPU i7 4770k 4.4GHz (44-44-43-43 turbo) @ 1.248V
Motherboard ASUS Maximus VI Hero
Memory 16GB (8GBx2) @2200 MHz G.skill Sniper 10-11-10-30-1, 1.6V
Graphics Card MSI GTX 970 Gaming 4G
Sound Card Onboard SupremeFX Audio
Monitor(s) Displays NEC Spectraview 2490WUXi-SV
Screen Resolution 1920 x 1200
Keyboard Cooler Master Storm Quickfire Rapid - Brown
Mouse Logitech G602
PSU Seasonic X-850 (2012 KM3 model)
Case Fractal Design Define R4
Cooling NH-D14, NF-F12, NF-A15; NF-P14, NF-P12,NF-A14, S12A PWM
Hard Drives Samsung 850 Pro 256GB (OS), Samsung 2x 128GB 840 Pro SSD in RAID0, 3x WD Blue 6Gb/s 1TB RAID0, WD 2TB Black external USB 3.0, 2TB WD20EARS Green external USB 3.0, 2x 500GB Seagate and 1 750 GB external USB, 1x 350GB external USB3
Internet Speed 126.4 Mb/s down, 24.3 Mb/s up
Other Info USB 3.0 x8 , SATA III x8, eSATA, USB 2.0 x6. Samsung DVD R/W drive.
WEI: CPU 7.8, Memory 7.9, Graphics 7.9, Disk 7.9
19 Dec 2011
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#19
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Hi everyone
c'mon guys
when you buy a product do you give "a figs leaf" on what the warranty is -- in some cases the better the warranty you could even think that the WORSE the product is.
In over 36 years of buying electronics etc I don't think I'VE EVER had to return a product that failed during its warranty period.
Note also that these days companies make MORE money on supplying "Extended" warranties than they make on selling the product.
Incidentally if you look at the accounts from BMW (who aren't renowned for making horrible cars) they actually make MORE money from their Finance division than they do from selling their cars.
Maybe BMW should become a "Bank".
I think that would be one "BANK" I could actually trust. !!!!
Cheers
jimbo
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Computer type PC/Desktop
System Manufacturer/Model Number Custom built, several laptops HP/ASUS
OS Linux CENTOS 7 / various Windows OS'es and servers
CPU Intel i7 Intel i5
Memory 8GB, 16GB
Graphics Card On Motherboard
Sound Card Realtek HD audio
Monitor(s) Displays Apple Cinema display, Samsung LCD
Screen Resolution 1920 X 1080
Mouse Toshiba wireless laser
Hard Drives 4 X 1TB SATA
Internet Speed > 20MB up
19 Dec 2011
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#20
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id still feel safer knowing i have a warranty. take your bank situation, Not trusting a bank would lead to the common stereotype: money under your mattress. if your house burns down, good bye money.
if the "bank" was a warranty, even if your house did burn down (drive craps a brick) youve still got your money/hdd... well im lost in my story lol
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Computer type PC/Desktop
System Manufacturer/Model Number Built by badgers!!!
OS Windows 7 Ultimate x64, & Mac OS X 10.9.2
CPU Intel Core i5 2500k
Motherboard Asus P8z68 LE
Memory Corsair Vengence 8gb 1866mhz
Graphics Card Nvidia GTX 770 OC
Monitor(s) Displays 2x ASUS LED 22" IPS
Screen Resolution 3840x1080
Keyboard Corsair K70/ Logitech G27 wheel
Mouse Saitek R.A.T 9
PSU Corsair HX650w Modular
Case Corsair Air 540
Cooling Corsair H60 Push/Pull
Hard Drives 240GB Crucial M500 SSD
120gb Corsair Force 3 SSD
1TB Western Digital
Internet Speed Too slow!
Other Info AMD fusion E350N Home server-Windows Home Server 2011 (also made by badgers!)
2011 Macbook 2.4ghz Core2Duo, 4gb ddr3, 120gb Ocz Vertex SSD
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