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Windows 7: Linux Australia may have a case on Win 8: ACCC

26 Mar 2012   #1
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Windows 7 Ult. x64
Linux Australia may have a case on Win 8: ACCC

Linux Australia members who complained to the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission (ACCC) about Microsoft's plans to mandate the enabling of a secure booting feature on Windows 8 machines have been told by the competition regulator that they may in fact have a case.
Linux Aus may have a case on Win 8: ACCC - Business - News - ZDNet Australia

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26 Mar 2012   #2

W7x64 Pro, SuSe 12.1/** W7 x64 Pro, XP MCE

Another reason, on a growing list, to avoid Windows 8.
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26 Mar 2012   #3

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

Vista x64 / 7 X64

That story has been around a few months - not sure where it is up to now.
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26 Mar 2012   #4

Windows 10 Pro

Windows 8.
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26 Mar 2012   #5

Windows 8 Pro (32-bit)

I thought the intention of secure boot was to be optional, or at least can be disabled though BIOS by someone who knew what he was doing?
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28 Mar 2012   #6

Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit

I won't buy a machine with secure-boot unless it CAN be or IS disabled.

And that's non-negotiable.
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29 Mar 2012   #7

Windows 10 Pro (x64)

Windows 8 will have no control over weather SecureBoot can be turned off or on. That is completely up to the OEM hardware manufacture. SecureBoot is part of the motherboard not the OS. I find this whole thing stupid. No one is filling law suites against Apple for not being able to install Linux on the iPad. If an OEM wants to lock down their tablets/computers to one OS, they bloody well can. YOU DO NOT HAVE TO BUY THEIR COMPUTERS.

But no people have to blow the whole thing out of proportion who don't understand a thing about it.
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29 Mar 2012   #8

W7x64 Pro, SuSe 12.1/** W7 x64 Pro, XP MCE

Correct me if I'm wrong, but as I read the article, this only effects machines run on with UEFI:

The Linux Australia community began petitioning the ACCC this week after Microsoft aired plans to mandate the enabling of Unified Extensible Firmware Interface's (UEFI) secure boot feature for devices bearing the "Designed for Windows 8" logo. This means that any software or hardware that is to run on the firmware will need to be signed by Microsoft or the original equipment manufacturer (OEM) to be able to execute. This would make it impossible to install alternative operating systems like Linux, or even older versions of Windows, if OEMs didn't bundle the secure keys with new operating system releases, allow users a facility to update the secure key list or allow the secure boot feature to be disabled in the firmware options.
As I understand it, UEFI is totally controlled by the OS, not by the motherboard's BIOS. I have no idea of how this would be applied to machines that run on a hardware BIOS, but it kind of sounds as though Windows 8 wouldn't. If that is true, then Windows 8 would obsolete all non-UEFI machines. If I'm wrong, please enlighten me.

EDIT: If computers are designed to run on UEFI, then they wouldn't need a hardware BIOS at all...would they? If there was no hardware BIOS, then one couldn't do anything that Windows wouldn't allow...even installing Linux on a discreet hard drive, because there wouldn't be any BIOS Boot Menu.
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29 Mar 2012   #9

Windows 10 Pro (x64)

Seekermeister, UEFI is not controlled by the OS, UEFI is the replacement for BIOS. UEFI/BIOS is the interface an OS uses to communicate with the hardware. UEFI does the same thing as the BIOS does but is a newer standard for modern computers.
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29 Mar 2012   #10

W7x64 Pro, SuSe 12.1/** W7 x64 Pro, XP MCE

Okay, I guess that I misunderstood, because it says that UEFI is software, rather than firmware, and I figured that meant that it must be part of the OS. Still, the following throws me some:

UEFI is not restricted to any specific processor architecture and can run on top of, or instead of, older BIOS implementations
Since it can replace the BIOS, as well as run on top of it, it would appear that replacement would be necessary for MS's mandate to become effective.
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 Linux Australia may have a case on Win 8: ACCC

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