Windows 8: Not even Microsoft thinks businesses will use it

sorry to inform you but apple is doing it too. they are 'sucking' watever they can from ios to osx. And, in my humble opnion, they are doing it in a worse and more forceful way than MS.

Apple is not taking just interface elements, but also inner-working too (for ex. the fact most recent ver of osx tries to 'save state' of the application when you close it, for later restoring just like a tablet/phone do).

Anyways, overall your comment was funny to me 'cause I have a mac-friend preparing himself to move to windows for the same reason you are moving to mac.

Apple did some good things and a lot of questionable (bad) things to OSX Lion. I haven't previewed ML 10.8 yet, but my initial impressions of 10.7 Lion was not good.

Inverting the scrolling calling it "natural scrolling", not having an easy way to maximize the window without either using a mod or manually resizing, Airdrop not being compatible with anything but other Lion equipped machines, Launchpad is absolutely worthless and Mission Control didn't prove to offer any significant benefit over Expose/Spaces.

People may buy into having new "features" but what makes them useful is how they "benefit" the user. When you merely put useless features into the OS, users will notice.

GEWB said:

Part of my retirement portfolio includes Microsoft stock - I think it may be time to rethink that path and go with something that isn't heavily invested in MS.

Regards,
GEWB

I've been considering switching to a Mac. I am not dissatisfied with Windows but I've been using it so long I want a different user experience. While doing my research I'm finding a lot of resistance to Apple's upcoming Mountain Lion upgrade. There are over 200 changes in the OS. The chief complaint is the IOSification of the OS. For me, I embrace change. I enjoy learning new things.

So, from Microsoft point of view, any users loss because of the the changes in Windows 8 will be made up from Mac users switching to Windows.

With the changes in Windows 8 I think I will stick around and experience something different. That's just me.

Stratos said:

Apple did some good things and a lot of questionable (bad) things to OSX Lion. I haven't previewed ML 10.8 yet, but my initial impressions of 10.7 Lion was not good.

Inverting the scrolling calling it "natural scrolling", not having an easy way to maximize the window without either using a mod or manually resizing, Airdrop not being compatible with anything but other Lion equipped machines, Launchpad is absolutely worthless and Mission Control didn't prove to offer any significant benefit over Expose/Spaces.

People may buy into having new "features" but what makes them useful is how they "benefit" the user. When you merely put useless features into the OS, users will notice.

True, but the same can be said when purchasing a new car. Often, the only changes made to a Ford Explorer (example) is the bumpers change, or the exterior light fixtures change. Its the same explorer it just looks a little different. People will still buy nonetheless, others will keep using what they have. Businesses make changes with the hope of attracting more customers or keeping the customers they interested in their product. They don't make changes to piss customers off. Some customers will like the change, others will not. And yes, some will take their business elsewhere. That's life.

IPlayFair said:

Stratos said:

Apple did some good things and a lot of questionable (bad) things to OSX Lion. I haven't previewed ML 10.8 yet, but my initial impressions of 10.7 Lion was not good.

Inverting the scrolling calling it "natural scrolling", not having an easy way to maximize the window without either using a mod or manually resizing, Airdrop not being compatible with anything but other Lion equipped machines, Launchpad is absolutely worthless and Mission Control didn't prove to offer any significant benefit over Expose/Spaces.

People may buy into having new "features" but what makes them useful is how they "benefit" the user. When you merely put useless features into the OS, users will notice.

True, but the same can be said when purchasing a new car. Often, the only changes made to a Ford Explorer (example) is the bumpers change, or the exterior light fixtures change. Its the same explorer it just looks a little different. People will still buy nonetheless, others will keep using what they have. Businesses make changes with the hope of attracting more customers or keeping the customers they interested in their product. They don't make changes to piss customers off. Some customers will like the change, others will not. And yes, some will take their business elsewhere. That's life.

Good example. The bumper, light/fixtures changes appear to represent mostly cosmetic changes, so I don't believe it's going to affect the actual operation of the new model. By comparison I don't mind minor changes to the look of icons, desktop wallpaper as most of those can be altered by the user anyway.

Apple made a really bad impression with OSX Lion when they inverted the mouse/trackpad by default. I immediately thought that perhaps OSX Lion was short on "new features" that they did it to give the illusion that it's quite different from OSX Snow Leopard.

When MS decided to do away with the Start/Win button, I have to ask myself what prompted the need to remove something everyone was used to and had no problems with it? I look back to the OSX Lion encounter and believe they did it just to make it seem like it's radically different than Windows 7. This is just my interpretation of this matter and not based on facts.

From my experience, people usually don't mind changes to how they interact with any OS as long as the updated changes make sense, is useful and is a clear improvement to how they did things before. When all it does is change things just for the sake of change, then users are more often frustrated, burdened and/or inconvenienced as a result.

Good discussion gentlemen and/or ladies. I've been enlightened.