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25 Nov 2012   #11
Lady Fitzgerald

Win 7 Ultimate 64 bit

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I wonder what operating system was used by the people who created Windows 8. Then could these same people use Windows 8 to create Windows 9. Reading about Windows 8 and watching a bunch of How To videos about Windows 8 makes me think the only thing that can be created on a Windows 8 system is a mess. Just my 3 brain cell over working again.
Very good observation.

Wouldn't it be a hoot if they used Linux?
It would be even funnier if they used OSx.

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25 Nov 2012   #12
Lady Fitzgerald

Win 7 Ultimate 64 bit

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Tell that to the millions of pc gamers and see what their response is, mine included...
That comment triggered one of my brain cells (the other is still dormant) to remember CBM (Commodore Business Machines). They were notorious for abandoning previous computer systems everytime they came out with a new one. They once had a corner on the educational computer market but decided to abandon it because it wasn't large enouge. Apple rushed in to fill the void. Apple is still around and CBM is a footnote in history.
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25 Nov 2012   #13

Desk1 7 Home Prem / Desk2 10 Pro / Main lap Asus ROG 10 Pro 2 laptop Toshiba 7 Pro Asus P2520 7 & 10

Hey look I just don't agree with this bloke full stop. Are we going to be like flipping lemmings and follow over the edge ( I know someone will pull me up for that it is just an figuratively formed analogy)

For my money I want to be able to get my hands inside the ting an do what I want to do not what some egghead designer of wobblepads wants me to do.

IMHO it is a no brainer and wobblepads for the braindead
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26 Nov 2012   #14

Windows 7 Home Premium 32bit

ICit2lol: For my money I want to be able to get my hands inside the ting an do what I want to do not what some egghead designer of wobblepads wants me to do.

I am totally with you. However, I think you are much too kind to the wobblepad designers and their wannabe masters of the universe managers who require them to design such atrocities.

The egghead designers and their managers of at least three levels up should be on the street looking for a job. The thought that they have the audacity to want to dictate to me what I can do, how I can do it, and why I do it is enough to make me want to damn them to the deepest and hottest pit of hell. Then add to the punishment by requiring them to listen to automated on line marketing pitches 24/7. Merely suffering eternal damnation is too good for them.

New is not necessarily better. Old is not necessarily useless and needing to be replaced. The tool used must match the purpose. If your purpose is a high level of creativity and productivity, then the world of touch devices has no place while a keyboard and precision pointing device is mandatory. I can type at roughly 70 WPM and use a marble mouse that requires I only move three fingers. I can control the cursor with a single finger while for a normal mouse, I must move my whole arm and lose accuracy very quickly. I work at a computer from three to 6 hours a day at programming software and writing technical documents. I can't imagine doing what I do with a touch device.

If your purpose is only to consume the content created by others, then perhaps a touch device will suffice.
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26 Nov 2012   #15

Desk1 7 Home Prem / Desk2 10 Pro / Main lap Asus ROG 10 Pro 2 laptop Toshiba 7 Pro Asus P2520 7 & 10

Yeah well LK I couldn't and wouldn't use language befitting them people as you say I think it quite arrogant they say that our PC's and hardware are going to die. I for one will still keep buying stuff as long as they make it.

They can go wobble their fancy held pieces of rubbish with each other. Plus long gone are the normal ways of communicating with friends and family - my own son sends me emails from his wobblepad - sometimes when he is not on that piece of crap called Facebook or Twattering some gormless air head.

I think the gamers proper must be worried though in case they have to play using her thumbs which I heard commented on the other day as probably to be the next evolutionary step and we end up with thumbs ten inches long
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26 Nov 2012   #16

Win 7 Pro 64-bit 7601

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If your purpose is only to consume the content created by others, then perhaps a touch device will suffice.
This is the main selling point of such touchscreen simplified devices. Most users don't really need more than some terminal-like device to write and read some nonsense on facebook/twitter and carpet bomb all their friends with some gigabytes worth of photos of babies and pussies and puppies per day while driving their car. Also to look at pr0n.

I have seen a ton of keyboards for tablets, but much less mices, as precise pointing isn't a horribly huge need for the tasks you can do on that, and portability makes a mice pretty annoying to use as you now have 3 different devices to place somewhere on you while on the couch.

So if the casual user moves to tablets, mices are going to take a pretty big hit.

But I don't see why keyboards are going to disappear. They aren't. All keyboards for tablets sell like cakes.

If they want to ditch keyboards for people that have even a modicum of writing needs they need to come up with something better, and a touchscreen is NOT better.
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26 Nov 2012   #17

Windows 7 Home Premium 32bit

bobafetthotmail portability makes a mice pretty annoying

That is partly why I use a marble mouse. All it needs is a place to land and doesn't have to move after that. You have two buttons and a ball. The ball is rolled to move the cursor using one finger rather than moving the entire mouse. I have a small case for my marble mouse hooked onto my laptop bag. I can and have done a lot of portable work with that arrangement. The touch pad on the laptop is all but useless for me.

I have one each for my desktop and laptop. A spare one to use for my laptop at home and one spare not yet taken out of its carton. Average life span for the marble mouse is between 2 and 4 years.
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26 Nov 2012   #18

Windows 10 Home Premium 64bit sp1

I would like to bring up the point not only it being a broken OS

How many smart phones or phones with touchscreens have people been through

I for one got sick of a touchscreen phone that would play out and trying to touch things it would do something else ,off calibration issue busted screens and when the screen plays out have to buy a new one ?

Also like to mention I no longer use a smartphone went back to the Standard button pressing the touchscreen crap gave me a Headache ....

This kind of Tech is not a good investment unless it is a Security set up seriously
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26 Nov 2012   #19

Windows 7 Professional x64

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In a few years there will be 2 billion laptops and desktops in use around the world. Don't know why no one bothers to mention this. It will take a minimum of many decades, perhaps a century or more, to transfer the work human beings do on them to something else. Even then they won't be eliminated.

It's like saying in the 1500s, in five hundred years people will not be using boats.
Normally I don't comment on this site anymore, just casually scan an article I randomly click when I'm bored because this is one of the shortcut tabs in Chrome I'm too lazy to delete. I do this because I don't seem to be the right age/knowledge group here, and there's nothing wrong with that at all for this site... I'm just not an eager-to-learn-this-sweet-stuff highschooler anymore, and not a 40-70yo still-staying-up-to-date user either. BUT I used to be the eager-to-learn highschooler, because this (IT) isn't just my career, but my complete and total passion.

Having said that, my homebrew/personal passion side occasionally feel too much of an urge to hold back on some of these statements, and this is one of them. I really have no idea how you came to the conclusion that it could take 'decades to centuries' for us to translate desktops/laptops to tablets. The thing is, I agree with you, it's a ridiculous leap and tablets and laptops both suit their own specific types of markets, but neither can do the other's job perfectly. It's like when car manufacturers try and put trucks and cars together, they always come out looking retarded or completely impractical. But think about this- in 1983, just a few years after videogames took off- the world thought that fad was over. 2 years later it blew up again and never stopped. In the 70's, no one but the nerdiest of nerds ever thought computers would be practical or necessary enough to fit- or be needed- inside a home. In 1993, cellphone's were only inside cars and toted around by rich guys. In 2006, touchscreen/smartphones were still such a niche market no one would have expected something like the iphone to make them a mainstay in the hands of almost everyone on the planet. In 1994, the internet or 'web' was barely a term anyone had even heard of, and by 1996 everyone was trying to get connected. 10 years ago that '2 billion' figure you mentioned was probably less than a quarter of that. If you told everyone in 1900 that they'd be driving around in self-powered cars in 10 years, they'd look at you the same way you'd imagine those 'tell people in the 1500's they wouldn't be using boats anymore' statement was. If you get past that, I mean look at how quickly the entire world can adopt even useless stuff if it's marketed correctly- remember Kony 2012? Within 2 weeks the entire world knew his name, and 2 weeks later everyone forgot just as fast.

So I agree with you that it's absurd for Microsoft to be trying to push this like everyone's gonna adopt it and it's the clear way to the future, because it isn't an evolution of computers... it's a totally different type of computer. And tablet OS's/technology has been trying to be pushed for about 20 years now too (just like 3D technology's been trying to get pushed since the 50's). But I don't agree with your logic behind that opinion, because if tablet tech WAS actually practical and capable of doing everything PC's do now, just in a better way (like, say LCD's replacing CRT's, that incorporated everything from old tech and fixed all the big the disadvantages it had), I'm quite confident the world wouldn't have any problem adopting it ASAP. It's just a stupid technology (when compared to conventional computers), and Windows 8 is a retarded approach at trying to force people to adopt it.
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26 Nov 2012   #20
Layback Bear

Windows 10 Pro. 64/ version 1709 Windows 7 Pro/64

onesixski Welcome back to the Forum. IT is a passion, that is great. We can use such people. As far as I know nobody has to fit into some sort of group on this Forum. Because we have over a quarter of a million members there will be various levels of knowledge and age differences. For me; I enjoy reading post from people with the knowledge you have. Odds are their is some that don't. You can look back through my post and it won't take you long to figure out I'm no IT expert but I do enjoy trying to learn. I also enjoy helping others when I can. Hang around and give us another chance.
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