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Windows 7: Microsoft launches new preWindows7 anti-Linux offensive

06 Oct 2009   #31
praseodeveloper

Microsoft Windows 7 RC
 
 

I must say. With money, comes comfort. If you are willing to pay for your OS, you may enjoy all the features marked in green.
Else, compromise on your requirements from a desktop OS and use linux.
I personally feel that video chat, playing high end games, getting support etc in Linux is a (PITA). This situation has been prevailing for almost a decade. As not many fund such projects, they simply do not come into existence.


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06 Oct 2009   #32
bobtran

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Night Hawk View Post
One thing you missed there was the fact that Windows comes out when on schedule every 2-3yrs. with the next version except for the Vista delay which the 7 onto 8 should bring back the MS time table no less. Various and even some possible new distros on the other hand see this or that one have a new release in six months or less at times?

"Hey i just bought this ubuntu system last month and it's already outdated!" would be how that would end up if Linux was preinstalled on 30% or more new systems without buyer's request there! That's where Dell got smart while lacking in other areas!
This would be a problem EXCEPT for the fact that Ubuntu offers the "LTS desktop" (currently 8.04) that is supported for 3 years at a time which for this version is from April 2008 and maintained until April 2011 at which time it will be replaced with the highest stable version available for the next three year LTS desktop.

As for upgrading its not that hard. When an upgrade is available Ubuntu update manager (which runs automatically) also presents you with the next version and all you have to do is click "Upgrade". Your current installed OS gets upgraded like a patch using the installed OS to configure the system, software and security or you ignore the offer and just apply the patches to the current level of the OS. Simple and strait forward...anyone can do it.
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06 Oct 2009   #33
Night Hawk

W7 Ultimate x64/W10 Pro x64 dual boot main build-remote pc W10 Pro x64 Insider Preview/W7 Pro x64
 
 

The interesting part about the 3yr. support is that I've already gone through the 6.04, 6.10, 7.04, 7.10, 8.04, 8.10, and now have the 9.04 presently on in less time then that!

With MS on the other hand once they get back to their 2-3yr. schedule for each new version about the time it takes to plan out the next build. XP is still seeing some degree of support after a full 8yr. stretch while SP3 will be the last service pack however.

One of the things that will tend to keep people running Windows is the latest MS move into portable devices like the new Windows mobile phone! MS is working along with the manufacturers keeping the foot in the door so to speak with each new innovation making them the enticement to stay MS.

Linux on the other hand for the longest time held the "Geek's OS" title since it took a bit work to management until the more recent releases came along again seemingly leaning more towards a more Windows familiar type of user experience.
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07 Oct 2009   #34
bobtran

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Night Hawk View Post
The interesting part about the 3yr. support is that I've already gone through the 6.04, 6.10, 7.04, 7.10, 8.04, 8.10, and now have the 9.04 presently on in less time then that!

With MS on the other hand once they get back to their 2-3yr. schedule for each new version about the time it takes to plan out the next build. XP is still seeing some degree of support after a full 8yr. stretch while SP3 will be the last service pack however.

One of the things that will tend to keep people running Windows is the latest MS move into portable devices like the new Windows mobile phone! MS is working along with the manufacturers keeping the foot in the door so to speak with each new innovation making them the enticement to stay MS.

Linux on the other hand for the longest time held the "Geek's OS" title since it took a bit work to management until the more recent releases came along again seemingly leaning more towards a more Windows familiar type of user experience.
I tend to agree about upgrading Linux more often and I am also running 9.04 on my Linux box. However....an earlier post I quoted was talking about the average user who does not upgrade their OS regularly and this is the person/business that would want the LTS version of Ubuntu 8.04.

I'm not so convinced about Windows mobile...I will be taking a wait and see attitude about it. Microsoft has been raving about their mobile OS and it never seems to live up to the hipe so far.
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07 Oct 2009   #35
Night Hawk

W7 Ultimate x64/W10 Pro x64 dual boot main build-remote pc W10 Pro x64 Insider Preview/W7 Pro x64
 
 

Windows on a cell phone? I tend to be a skeptic as well about twitter and texting on phones while not surprized to see MS in competition with the IPhone no doubt. You couldn't imagine someone else having a monopoly there could you?

The one thing and probably why it continues to live on about Linux is simply that it remains an open source OS to start with. Once something new is submitted you see a new release available. Plus you have to consider the larger variety of flavors seen with that OS for different applications.

Vista introduced the Starter and Basic editions there to expand their selection of editions until that sort of fell out. To reach into developing markets Linux already has more of a foothold being a free open source OS. Those were the MS avenues seen there. MS has the "edition best for you" while Linux offers the "flavor of month" as many refer to it as.
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07 Oct 2009   #36
SevenAndSeven

Windows 7 Ulimate x 64 RTM
 
 

With my Windows 7 upgrade, I started using Ubuntu 9.04 in a VMWare installation. Super combination! I need Linux for development, I run the MySQL on Windows 7. In this age, you mix and match the best for your needs, thanks to choice and VMs and VPSs.

(As an aside, I've been having a stubborn problem on my Win7 with networking flaking out every 4-6 days without reboot, ie sluggish networking from all browsers, but Ubuntu on VM browses just fine. Go figure.)
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07 Oct 2009   #37
Night Hawk

W7 Ultimate x64/W10 Pro x64 dual boot main build-remote pc W10 Pro x64 Insider Preview/W7 Pro x64
 
 

Presently I have to back up the virtual HDs for the portable VBox since Knoppix fails to start plus the newer version of that has been put onhold for a bit. The Konqueror browser is preferred there over Ice or FF but only seen with that distro.

The 9.04 and Puppy 4.2 still serve well for usb flash drive application since as long as a system supports booting from usb you can save files from a system that needs a drive wipe or runs into a large headache like a board or cpu giving out where you may not have a second machine around to save files from the main drive.

The Virtual Box also allows you to expore other OSs without even seeing any lasting effect on your main OS which for most here is 7! You won't have to worry about reformatting your hard drive since a vhd or other form of virtual HD is simply an expandable if not fixed file sitting on the drive instead.
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07 Oct 2009   #38
jimbo45

Linux CENTOS 7 / various Windows OS'es and servers
 
 

Hi all

Seems that this is a "Horses for Courses" type of discussion.

Linux can be configured every which way (and is). You can boot from a USB stick or almost every imaginable device you can think of - but you have to WORK at it.

Networking in Linux just runs RINGS around Windows (just look at the problems you see on this board alone of people having trouble sharing XP / VISTA / W7 mixes of machines).

You can make Linux really small and lightning fast as you can individually customize this.

Windows however has to work "Out of the box" for 90% of users straight away with "acceptable" performance.

This of course is a problem - a user who just uses email / excel / word has very different requirements from a serious gamer or one who needs to measure the gases coming out of a test borehole on an Oil rig.

Whilst you CAN make Linux more like Windows that's not the point of the system -- if I want a Windows system what's wrong with the REAL THING.

Open Source doesn't always mean BTW "No Money". Just look at Red Hat and Novell - both make a LOT of money providing servers and services to business - using essentially an Open Source product (various flavours of Linux).

I wonder also how much toehold does MS have at places like CISCO. I'm sure 80% of the server / Internet infrastructure is still Linux based.

Cheers
jimbo
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07 Oct 2009   #39
wwoods

Vista64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by wpurcell View Post
Well, I like 7 and it will be my main OS, but for a "user friendly" GNU/Linux OS, Ubuntu can't be beat! The biggest problem is wireless on a laptop, but checking on compatibility before buying solves that issue.
I am sorry, why should I check to see if a $2500 laptop is compatiable with a OS, the OS should be the one that is made to work with the laptop. And yes, I have a 2500$ laptop, and as soon as linsux runs EVERY piece of software and EVERY piece of equipt out of the box, (not editing a config file here and there) , only then will I consider it on my system.

Untill then it is worthless to me.
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07 Oct 2009   #40
wwoods

Vista64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post

Linux can be configured every which way (and is). You can boot from a USB stick or almost every imaginable device you can think of - but you have to WORK at it.

Networking in Linux just runs RINGS around Windows (just look at the problems you see on this board alone of people having trouble sharing XP / VISTA / W7 mixes of machines).
And my windows boots from almost any device also, your point ? Hell I can even boot my windows from the 8g SD card in my blackberry......your point ?

And NO linux does not run rings around windows networking by any means, a LOT of that depends on the admin. I bet you most of those problems you so kindly point out as Windows are Admin issues.....

Get your facts strait
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