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Windows 7: Windows Kernel. We Are Slower Than Other Operating Systems

13 May 2013   #11

Linux CENTOS 7 / various Windows OS'es and servers

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"I Contribute to the Windows Kernel. We Are Slower Than Other Operating Systems. Here Is Why."

I was explaining on Hacker News why Windows fell behind Linux in terms of operating system kernel performance and innovation. And out of nowhere an anonymous Microsoft developer who contributes to the Windows NT kernel wrote a fantastic and honest response acknowledging this problem and explaining its cause. His post has been deleted! Why the censorship? I am reposting it here. This is too insightful to be lost. [Edit: The anonymous poster himself deleted his post as he thought it was too cruel and did not help make his point, which is about the social dynamics of spontaneous contribution. However he let me know he does not mind the repost at the condition I redact the SHA1 hash info, which I did.] [Edit: A second statement, apologetic, has been made by the anonymous person. See update at the bottom.]

A Guy
Hi there
A bit of meaningless FUD actually.
Depends on what the OS has to do, whether it's secure or not and what hardware it's running.

I have some hardware that takes maybe as much as 5 mins to warm up per session (and you can't leave this type of equipment switched on all day either) it's used so the speed of the OS itself is 100% irrelevant in this situation.

Android is a Tiny OS (although it leaks like a sieve) so it should be fairly "Fast" --there's almost NO CODE in it --same with VMWARE's ESXI although that is extremely robust.

Windows 8 for all its other problems doesn't have the label of "Slow and doddering" labelled at it.

If people are dissatisfied with the performance of Windows - it's usually because the hardware isn't sufficient -- I still see in some workplaces old Pentium machines with 512 KB RAM (yes KB) in them trying to run 4 or 5 modern apps --of course it's going to be running as slow as a stream of molasses.

I have Photoshop CS6 64 bit running on Windows 8 from an SSD on a LAPTOP - and it STARTS and is READY FOR USE in around 3 yes THREE secs -- so why should I care if the OS can shave a few microsecs of some of its processes --I'd prefer it slightly slower and 100% SECURE than fast, lean and LEAKY.

If you haven't corrupted the registry, have installed enough RAM, have a sensible processor in your computer and have DECENT DISKS - preferably an SSD then you shouldn't have complaints from a performance issue whatever version of Windows you want to run -- even poor olds VISTA.

(Or even these --scr shots enc)


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13 May 2013   #12

Windows 7 Pro 64 bit

I still see in some workplaces old Pentium machines with 512 KB RAM (yes KB) in them trying to run 4 or 5 modern apps
That can't be right. To run modern applications you need a relatively modern OS. Even Windows 95 had a minimum specified 4 MB RAM and that wasn't enough to run much of anything.
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13 May 2013   #13
Layback Bear

Windows 10 Pro. 64/ version 1709 Windows 7 Pro/64

Comparing Linux or any other operating system to Windows is dumb in my opinion.

Now if I was the Dictator of Microsoft I would have thoughts along this line.

1.They can't even give away Linux systems away in any volume that matters. To me that means it doesn't meet the needs of the mass amount of consumers in yesterdays or todays computing world. So why should we do things the way Linux does things.

2. Making changes is not a problem if they will meet the standards we use.
a. They must improve things in a meaningful way.
b. They must go through all the test for possible security problem. We are the major target of most major infectious attacks.
c. They must work well with our programs people use now and programs we have on the drawing board. People don't want to update or upgrade programs or hardware every time we have a great idea.
d. They must work well with major branded 3rd party hardware and software that people use now. Also keeping a eye on new things in the future.
e. They must be helpful where the users of our products can actually notice it. A ms here and there means nothing to the end user unless they can see it in their everyday usage of our products.

3. Making changes for the sake of change is not good enough.

4. Changes will not diminish reliability or security by any degree what so ever!!

5. Any changes to our products that will raise the cost to the customer must give value to equal amount or more and be noticeable to the customer.

6. Changes will not diminish our large share of the market we enjoy at the present.
I seriously doubt the person who was complaining had a position that allowed him/her to analyze him/her wanted changes from all approaches.
And then their is Windows 8!
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14 May 2013   #14

Linux CENTOS 7 / various Windows OS'es and servers

Hi there
Linux is fine for servers -- for "Mom and Pop" on a desktop forget it.

Windows isn't going away any time soon even if Ms disappears completely unless and until people write applications that are demonstrably SUPERIOR to photo shop / office / the literally millions of specialized applications that currently run on Windows - from Engineering apps to scientific research / lab and medical gear / music studios etc etc.

For basic surfing / email / "Farcebook" etc phones / tablets or even a chromebook is fine - you don't need a PC for this stuff.

Otherwise Windows --even in the absence of Ms will stay -- a lot of Engineering gear for example lasts over 20 - 30 years and still gets used daily -- if it's running on a stand alone PC it doesn't need updating or Internet connections or even the existence of Ms at all. XP will outlast any current version of Windows (W7 / W8) whether XP has continued support or not.

Writing better apps for non windows system obviously is a challenge -- two good ones for example The GIMP and Libre Office might be OK for casual or "beginner" users but they still don't even remotely come any where near what power or professional users of Photoshop or Ms Office expect.

If Linux (or Chrome) has to have any chance of becoming mainstream then some Windows apps need to have Linux equivalents either identical or better than the originals -- and it's just NOT HAPENNING. (I'm discussing COMMERCIAL, ROBUST applications here -- not some quite good applications a lot of hobbyists run on their machines quite successfully on Linux).

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14 May 2013   #15

Win 10 Pro 64

Linux which is based on Unix has always been faster than Windows. I have found that since I stopped using third party themes that were nothing but Eye Candy , my Windows is running a great deal faster. All I use now are some Icons and a start orb.
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14 May 2013   #16

W7 Ultimate SP1, LM18.3 MATE, W10 Home, #All 64 bit

I still think he means "Corporate performance" and not PC OS performance (i.e. MS is not as nimble as Linux at developing/implementing kernel improvements, due to corporate policies/politics).
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14 May 2013   #17
x BlueRobot


Does the average end user even notice any difference in kernel improvements and modifications? Probably not.
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