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Windows 7: What would you ask a Windows 7 engineer?

19 Oct 2009   #11
SquonkSC

Win7 Build 7600 x86
 
 

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Why did you disable all tasks history in Task Scheduler - by default?

Is it because Task Scheduler is doing 4 times more work than in Vista?
Don't know what version of W7 you have, but I have a history tab in Task Scheduler.

On the right pane you can enable/disable history.

good luck
Oh, you! You're making me patronize you again and again!

I have a history tab too! But by default, logging history is disabled for all tasks. You have to turn it on to start logging.
Lol
My question was serious though.
I haven't checked out versions below ultimate, so it was possible that other versions don't have it.

I think it's wise from MS to have it disabled by default, since it will cost you some slight performance like any logging will.

And I think 99% of average users never checks it.
More knowledgeable users can enable it.

So without being patronizing, I think MS made a good decision here.

Greetings


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19 Oct 2009   #12
Teerex

Windows 7 x64 Ultimate SP1
 
 

I have Ultimate, but I remember having it on Vista, I do think TS is the same on all versions. The Vista Home Premium TS had logging enabled by default.

The difference is that Vista ran something like 16-25 tasks a day, and Windows 7 Task Scheduler has something like 60 tasks (mostly system/maintenance) scheduled to run during a day.

They really made that mule do some serious work.
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19 Oct 2009   #13
SquonkSC

Win7 Build 7600 x86
 
 

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I have Ultimate, but I remember having it on Vista, I do think TS is the same on all versions. The Vista Home Premium TS had logging enabled by default.

The difference is that Vista ran something like 16-25 tasks a day, and Windows 7 Task Scheduler has something like 60 tasks (mostly system/maintenance) scheduled to run during a day.

They really made that mule do some serious work.
And that makes the decision to disable history by default even more plausible.

(not patronizing)
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19 Oct 2009   #14
Teerex

Windows 7 x64 Ultimate SP1
 
 

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And that makes the decision to disable history by default even more plausible.

(not patronizing)
Exactly. I want them to admit they are exploiting the poor thing!
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20 Oct 2009   #15
pacinitaly

windows 7 professional & ultimate 64bit laptops
 
 

what will be in SP1 ?
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20 Oct 2009   #16
SquonkSC

Win7 Build 7600 x86
 
 

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what will be in SP1 ?
I'll tell you, if you tell me the lottery numbers for next week. j/k

You might be able to have some say about SP1.

I have created a thread where you can drop your wishes.
Make sure you read the first post thoroughly, before posting.

Keep it realistic.

Requests to Microsoft.
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20 Oct 2009   #17
Big Dan

Windows 7 Home Preimum 64 bit
 
 

I would ask the Windows Engineers: Why don't UAC ask you before allowing an application or application installer to run itself at start up? Not only is it an annoyance to your customers that software devs decide for you that their software is important enough to run every time you start your computer it's also a security issue both from a privacy (the app could be phoning home..who knows what data it's sending) and viral standpoint. I wonder how many viruses would be stopped dead in their tracks by not allowing them to run when the computer starts?

Additionally auto-starting apps slows down the computer and gives non-techy people (the majority of Windows Users) both a bad impression of Windows and the OEM.

I cannot tell you how many machines I've worked on that are brought to me with 'it's unbearably slow' as the primary complaint. Believe it or not most of the systems aren't virus ridden it's because you have a low end system starting 3 instant messengers, a smiley helper, and a bunch of unneeded OEM crap running at start up. You haven't even launched your browser or Word yet and your using 85% of your RAM!

I betcha if Windows UAC included an option to say Yes or no to auto-starting apps a lot of the slow/bloated complaints would go away.

Second thing I'd ask them is to police OEM system pre-installs better. I get why OEMs install Norton, Office Trials, Ebay Links, arcade etc and even though I don't like it it makes the computer cheaper for me so I can live with it. Please stop OEM from duplicating Windows functionality with bloated in-house apps. My Acer laptop came with 'Empowering Technology' at the time when I bought it it was a mid-range machine that took 5 minutes to start up due to "Empowering Technology" all it did was duplicate Windows features: Battery/Wifi Monitor, and power profiles (included with Vista by default). Once I removed all that crap, it started up and ran a lot faster.

Through their OEM licensing they should disallow companies from dupicating functionality with in house apps AND allow the user to make 'clean backup discs' discs that include nothing but drivers and the Windows installer. As we paid for the Windows license with the computer we should be able to JUST Windows on a DVD.

Woops this turned into a mini-rant but this is what I'd ask the engineers to do.
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20 Oct 2009   #18
SquonkSC

Win7 Build 7600 x86
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Big Dan View Post
I would ask the Windows Engineers: Why don't UAC ask you before allowing an application or application installer to run itself at start up? Not only is it an annoyance to your customers that software devs decide for you that their software is important enough to run every time you start your computer it's also a security issue both from a privacy (the app could be phoning home..who knows what data it's sending) and viral standpoint. I wonder how many viruses would be stopped dead in their tracks by not allowing them to run when the computer starts?

Additionally auto-starting apps slows down the computer and gives non-techy people (the majority of Windows Users) both a bad impression of Windows and the OEM.

I cannot tell you how many machines I've worked on that are brought to me with 'it's unbearably slow' as the primary complaint. Believe it or not most of the systems aren't virus ridden it's because you have a low end system starting 3 instant messengers, a smiley helper, and a bunch of unneeded OEM crap running at start up. You haven't even launched your browser or Word yet and your using 85% of your RAM!

I betcha if Windows UAC included an option to say Yes or no to auto-starting apps a lot of the slow/bloated complaints would go away.

Second thing I'd ask them is to police OEM system pre-installs better. I get why OEMs install Norton, Office Trials, Ebay Links, arcade etc and even though I don't like it it makes the computer cheaper for me so I can live with it. Please stop OEM from duplicating Windows functionality with bloated in-house apps. My Acer laptop came with 'Empowering Technology' at the time when I bought it it was a mid-range machine that took 5 minutes to start up due to "Empowering Technology" all it did was duplicate Windows features: Battery/Wifi Monitor, and power profiles (included with Vista by default). Once I removed all that crap, it started up and ran a lot faster.

Through their OEM licensing they should disallow companies from dupicating functionality with in house apps AND allow the user to make 'clean backup discs' discs that include nothing but drivers and the Windows installer. As we paid for the Windows license with the computer we should be able to JUST Windows on a DVD.

Woops this turned into a mini-rant but this is what I'd ask the engineers to do.
Nice post again, but can't rep you here either!

News and General discussions I believe are without rep system.

Back OT.
The autostart is a sneaky way of sw makers to make their sw look snappy.

If they weren't loaded on boot, they would take several seconds longer to start.
So instead of looking bad themselves, they auto start and make windows look bad.

Disabling most auto starts is the first thing I do on any system.
Why load messenger if you aren't going to use it? And Adobe reader, OEM cr*p, Nokia Suite, Nero, Acronis and the list goes on and on.

Lots of double entries in the startup list are not uncommon too.
In some cases it even starts two instances of the same program.

So I agree, from a resource standpoint it's ridiculous.

From a security standpoint, most viruses embed themselves in windows processes, so UAC would be quite powerless against it.

Greetings.
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20 Oct 2009   #19
Boris

W7 64b - Leopard 10.6.2 - Ubuntu 10.10 (MBP Snow Leopard 10.6.3)
 
 

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I thought liberaries was a nice addition... till I tried to use it with my new NAS: no go. When will this function become mature and include more than local data only?
Will put this in my list.

Requests to Microsoft.

greetings

Edit:

Just added a folder from my remote HTPC to my libraries on my laptop without a problem.
Problem must be with the NAS.
Note: The folder you want to add has to be a shared folder.
Did you accomplish this without syncing the total folder to your local hard drive? I have read several posts, all with more or less the same problem.

See Libraries - Include a Network Folder

I will test again and let you know...
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20 Oct 2009   #20
Zardoc

Windows 7 x64 Ultimate SP1
 
 

I think that your thread to Microsoft is nice, but (here I can comment) because you closed the door to anything in the thread, I have been beta testing for quite a while and I'm a 6 year MVP. What you are doing has been done over and over in the beta forums. Micrososft has a timeline and a priority schedule.

There were a lot of issues mentioned folder re arrangement was on the top of the list since XP (go figure)

Here is a nice temp reg tweak that will at least give you some control over folders.

See Brink's tutorial
HERE and add a nice tweak to keep windows from changing your default settings

You can prevent Windows from sniffing folder contents and automatically assigning the folder type template
Code:
Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00
[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Classes\Local Settings\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Shell\Bags\AllFolders\shell]
"FolderType"="NotSpecified"
Other issues brought up was the HAL issue, the Photogallery, the windows mail client, Movie maker, Hive leaks galore, Event viewer non issues etc. etc.

But hey, maybe someone will listen (???)
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