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Windows 7: Linus Torvalds gives Windows 7 a big thumbs up

29 Oct 2009   #11
pparks1

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Jordus View Post
Nor does anyone care who linus torvalds is.
I beg to differ with you. I certainly care. His kernel powers more of my servers than that coming out of Redmond.


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29 Oct 2009   #12
Jordus

Windows Vista Business / Windows 7 Ultimate
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by wpurcell View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Jordus View Post
"he obviously had no idea who he was dealing with"

Nor did he care. Nor does anyone care who linus torvalds is.
Ha ha! I care!What's your server running? Likely NOT Microsoft
Server 2003. Server 2003 R2. Server 2008. Server 2008 R2.

owned.
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29 Oct 2009   #13
Zidane24

Windows 7 Home Premium x64 - Mac OS X 10.6.4 x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Jordus View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by wpurcell View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Jordus View Post
"he obviously had no idea who he was dealing with"

Nor did he care. Nor does anyone care who linus torvalds is.
Ha ha! I care!What's your server running? Likely NOT Microsoft
Server 2003. Server 2003 R2. Server 2008. Server 2008 R2.

owned.
err...

Check the figures for the entire server population...Linux is still #1
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29 Oct 2009   #14
Jordus

Windows Vista Business / Windows 7 Ultimate
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Zidane24 View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Jordus View Post
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Ha ha! I care!What's your server running? Likely NOT Microsoft
Server 2003. Server 2003 R2. Server 2008. Server 2008 R2.

owned.
err...

Check the figures for the entire server population...Linux is still #1
Source?

I know that apache dominates the WEB server market but the caveat there is that apache can and is run on Windows.

I don't really have anything against UNIX/Linux for servers, i think they are a robust set of OS' for many applications.

I think linux on the desktop is a joke, though. The useability just isnt there, and may never be.

Oh and he asked what MY servers run. Thats what we run at work. We do have a couple of linux servers but thats 2 out of about 400 servers, the rest running windows.
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29 Oct 2009   #15
pparks1

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

There is no need to argue over which is better. I think the best server is dependent upon the need at hand. I know there are a ton of SQL Servers and Exchange Servers obviously running on Windows and there are a ton of Apache, mysql, bind, and sendmail servers running on Linux.

For example, if you run a hosting facility and host Windows applications it's quite obvious that you probably would run a ton of Citrix boxes on Windows. Everything is really dependent upon the need.

My shop uses quite a number of Linux servers to host LDAP, Apache, Tomcat, Exim, MySQL, FTP and a variety of other web services. The reason we use Linux is stability, ease of setup and administration and extremely low cost.
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29 Oct 2009   #16
Jordus

Windows Vista Business / Windows 7 Ultimate
 
 

A lot of ours are active directory supportive or relative. I find AD to be the most robust directory services platform available, plus we mostly have windows clients so it makes sense.

I think Server 2008 will start dispelling the "unstable" reputation of windows server. I installed many 2008 servers back in june and they havnt so much as hiccuped since.
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30 Oct 2009   #17
jimbo45

Linux CENTOS 7 / various Windows OS'es and servers
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by KazeNoKoe23 View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by sup3rsprt View Post
The only reason he gives a thumbs up is because those are all pirated copies of Windows 7. After all, it is Japan.


You're thinking of China.
China might MAKE them but India and Pakistan is where you can BUY them almost in any Bazaar. Can't beat those guys for their selling skills.

'Psst - want a copy of MS SQL server, Exchange server, Complete SAP ERP system with BI and portals, IBM mainframe OS'es etc etc --- 35 USD the lot- cash only on unmarked DVD's so no probs taking them on the plane home' .

BTW Apache and MySQL run quite happily on Windows as does Tomcat

For the first two -- WAMP -- is the equivalent in Windows of LAMP in Linux, (Windows/Linux Apache MySQL Php) and a common system using Tomcat in Windows is vmware server version 2.


Cheers
jimbo
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31 Oct 2009   #18
Win7User512

Windows 7 x64 / Same
 
 

"But in the end Linus surprisingly did not buy a copy. Wise man!"

That's because he pre-ordered his! ;-)

Anyway, how long before we see "I'm a Linux (or Penguin) and I'm a PC" commercials?
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31 Oct 2009   #19
pparks1

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Jordus View Post
I think Server 2008 will start dispelling the "unstable" reputation of windows server. I installed many 2008 servers back in june and they havnt so much as hiccuped since.
I don't think that Windows servers are really regarded as unstable. Windows 2000 was good and 2003 has been solid as a rock.

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
BTW Apache and MySQL run quite happily on Windows as does Tomcat
While they can run quite happily on Windows...the real question is whether it's advantageous to do this. Overwlemingly I say NO...because of 1). cost of Windows licensing (Hundreds of dollars per box) 2). overhead of Windows versus linux 3). installed footprint on the server. (10GB+ for Windows Server, 1.5GB or less usually for Linux) 4). Ease of administration...with Linux it's just a couple of text files which contain the entire configuration of Apache, MySQL and Tomcat. Copy them over and you are done...none of that clicking here and clicking there and choosing this and choosing that. 5). ability to use tools like grep, awk and tail...which are all invaluable as a server admin trying to parse logs and gather information.

With a virtual server, i can run quite a few more Linux hosts than I can with Windows on the same server because the memory requirements are lower and the hard drive footprint is about 70% less.
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31 Oct 2009   #20
Jordus

Windows Vista Business / Windows 7 Ultimate
 
 

1.) cost is moot, if you buy support from the companies that distribute the version of linux or if you purchase an enterprise ready OS like redhat.

2 and 3 are the same thing, but both are moot because hard drive space is incredibly inexpensive these days and 10gb is nothing. RAM also isnt very expensive and besides that, Server 2008 64-bit uses about 400-500mb at idle in my experience.

4. I'll give you that one, IIS is a pain in the rear to config most of the time but I havnt used apache on windows much ever.
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