Normal service is resumed as Windows 7's growth once again.....

Kari said:

...I have had great respect for you, your expertise and knowledge and your way to work with various issues of so many OPs. But maybe this virtual forums life really is a metaphor for real life in that sense that as idols sometimes do fall in real life, they seem to fall here, too. Your usage of the word crap or rather letters cr in front of every word you can possible use them is naive, stupid and really disrespectful towards all those users who think differently than you. You really should be ashamed of that and keep your crApps and cRaptures and such to yourself. If you had let it be a one time "cool" joke in one post, that had been OK, but to continue this post after post is just plain stupid...

If Greg was the only one who felt that way, I would agree with you but the fact is there are a lot of people who share that view who have actually have tried to use Win8.0 and 8.1, including me. In terms of capability, Win 8 is an improvement over Win 7 but in terms of usability, it falls short for most people. I had pretty much no trouble moving from XP to Win 7; when I tried using Win 8.0 and, later on 8.1, even with help, I found it awkward, even with help, due to changes from they way things had been done in Win 7 that were pointless and completely unnecessary. I'm glad you were able to adapt to Win 8 but not everyone has had that happy experience. It's because of the difficulty of making such a drastic transition and the awkward workflow Win 8 GUI creates, even with a start menu replacement, that businesses have been upgrading to Win 7 when moving from XP and others are staying with Win 7; training costs alone would have been killers; then there would have also been the reduction in productivity.

I evaluated Win 8 when it first came out, didn't like it (to put it mildly), and decided to stay with Win 7 when I built my current machine and needed to buy an OS. Even if Win 9 proves to better than Win 7 in all aspects, I'm staying with Win 7 until several months to a year before it reaches its EOL. Why change as long as it meets my needs without having to completely learn how to use a computer all over again?

z3r010 said:

Layback Bear said:

App's priced right I also don't have a problem with.
Look what it cost to get something from Microsoft just to read a pdf file.

PDF reader is native in W8

So what? Free PDF readers abound. What M$ should have done is come up with a full fledged PDF creation and editing program, like Foxit and Adobe Acrobat, for M$ Office. If M$ will get its head out of the sand and forget about ramming subscription and cloud computing down our throats, they have a golden opportunity to pickup a boat load of business from people abandoning Adobe Acrobat after XI reaches EOL in 2017 and only a subscription program will be available. I know I will be abandoning Adobe come 2017 unless they come to their senses; Foxit is looking pretty good.

I've only used the free Adobe Reader, formerly Acrobat, and dumped it about two years ago for Foxit. Of course all I need it for is to open PDF files

Britton30 said:

I've only used the free Adobe Reader, formerly Acrobat, and dumped it about two years ago for Foxit. Of course all I need it for is to open PDF files

I create and edit quite a few PDFs and need far more flexibility than what I could get from virtual printers. Also, my ADF scanner (Fujitsu ScanSnap 1500) uses Distiller in Adobe Acrobat for directly creating PDFs from scans; its successor, the iX500, does the same. If Fujitsu doesn't come up with a replacement for Adobe Acrobat in its ScanSnap drivers after 2017 or becomes Twain compliant, I'll be forced to scan to JPEG and use another program, probably Foxit, to create the PDFs.

Lady Fitzgerald said:

Kari said:

...I have had great respect for you, your expertise and knowledge and your way to work with various issues of so many OPs. But maybe this virtual forums life really is a metaphor for real life in that sense that as idols sometimes do fall in real life, they seem to fall here, too. Your usage of the word crap or rather letters cr in front of every word you can possible use them is naive, stupid and really disrespectful towards all those users who think differently than you. You really should be ashamed of that and keep your crApps and cRaptures and such to yourself. If you had let it be a one time "cool" joke in one post, that had been OK, but to continue this post after post is just plain stupid...

If Greg was the only one who felt that way, I would agree with you but the fact is there are a lot of people who share that view who have actually have tried to use Win8.0 and 8.1, including me. In terms of capability, Win 8 is an improvement over Win 7 but in terms of usability, it falls short for most people. I had pretty much no trouble moving from XP to Win 7; when I tried using Win 8.0 and, later on 8.1, even with help, I found it awkward, even with help, due to changes from they way things had been done in Win 7 that were pointless and completely unnecessary. I'm glad you were able to adapt to Win 8 but not everyone has had that happy experience. It's because of the difficulty of making such a drastic transition and the awkward workflow Win 8 GUI creates, even with a start menu replacement, that businesses have been upgrading to Win 7 when moving from XP and others are staying with Win 7; training costs alone would have been killers; then there would have also been the reduction in productivity.

It is each and every users right to call an application crap. What I find very offensive is when a senior member, an MVP uses his assumed influence and continues his childish "cool" wordplay adding extra letters to "crapifize" each and every Modern Windows App, using his alleged power to tell for those who have not even seen Windows 8 how crap the apps are. His opinion was clear after mentioning it first time, any further wordplay is only for the purpose of being "cool".

For your information, I use Windows Reader App (Windows 8 built-in PDF reader) almost exclusively because it is (as so many other Modern Apps) so flexible and easy to use:

I do not believe I am the only one.

Another of these apps Greg would like everyone to think is crap is the Modern Video App, which I also use quite a lot, partly for same reasons than the Reader App: it's flexible and easy to use, doing very well what it is designed to do:

Lady Fitzgerald said:

I evaluated Win 8 when it first came out, didn't like it (to put it mildly), and decided to stay with Win 7 when I built my current machine and needed to buy an OS. Even if Win 9 proves to better than Win 7 in all aspects, I'm staying with Win 7 until several months to a year before it reaches its EOL. Why change as long as it meets my needs without having to completely learn how to use a computer all over again?

That's one thing I have been trying to understand, always failing: someone has tried very briefly the first versions of Windows 8, has never used Windows 8.1 Update 1 (current version) but still insists being qualified to judge this totally different OS than the one he / she has tried a few times long time ago.

OK, truce: You are The Authority to decide which apps are crap. I will no more criticize or question your authority in this subject, consulting you in the future when I want to know if an app belongs to Official Crap List.

Put your sig back in the center Greg.

gregrocker said:

Quite heavy, Greg. Not being a native English speaker I had to Google Basket Case: "a person or thing regarded as useless".

Thank you. Notice that all I have done is called you childish because of your wordplay. If you were a man you'd admit that.

Please notice that all possible future apologies are useless. I am not capable to forgive you calling me useless.


EDIT:I am quite sure that the reference to 8 was added to your post only after I started typing my response.