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04 Jun 2014   #21

Windows 10 Pro

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04 Jun 2014   #22

W7 Pro x64 SP1 | W10 Pro IP x64 | W8.1 Pro x64 VM | Linux Mint VM

I was a W8 basher after a couple of brief run ins with it trying to help people out, but now I have it installed as a dual boot I've played with it and got it set up so it looks virtually identical to my W7 set up. In that respect I'm warming to it a bit more each week, it's not as bad as I thought it was.

However, it takes work to get there. You have to do a lot of research to get 8 running like 7, and the majority of people who've made the switch are running a third party program to replace the Start button, and that is where I think 8's sales have drastically been hurt. Yes they made the OS to target mobile device users and that UI doesn't translate well to a desktop environment, and while you can poke and prod it to make it like previous versions it's not something MS have blatantly advertised. Many laymen who have used PCs over the years for basic tasks and recreational use aren't going to be digging round looking how to change the OS, they'll simply think that's what they have and they must learn how to use it and that's where they give up.

Of course, word of mouth speaks volumes and that will have hammered sales extremely hard but it's all of MS's own doing. While I don't dislike 8 any more it's still obvious that MS are indeed trying to force the touch screen UI on people through advertising and the lack of information on how to use the OS solely as a desktop environment.
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04 Jun 2014   #23

Windows 7 Professional 32-bit/Windows 8 64-bit/Win7 Pro64-bit

I used to think Windows 8 would not be good because of the changes but now that I got to use it, I'm used to it and I am getting used to the Start Screen.
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05 Jun 2014   #24
A Guy

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Windows 7 Home Premium x64 SP1

I wish it worked like XP 7. I liked the way it worked in XP 7 better. You have to go through several steps to make it work like XP 7. Seems I have seen all this years ago.

Using 8 and discovering you do not like it is one thing, but once you get used to it, and make it work for you (as you did with 7), it can apparently be a great OS. Based on opinions from people who I respect, like Kari. Not liking it for valid reasons is also acceptable. And like Si has said, it's still not selling particularly well so far.

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05 Jun 2014   #25

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient


Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Pete4 View Post
... and then trying to get back to desktop, which never worked on the first try, or going into metro interface any time I accidently put my mouse on the right edge, with no easy way to go back I mean the list goes on and did I mentioned how ugly and space wasting Metro is. But I totally lost it when I wasted almost an hour downloading win 8.1 upgrade, then wasted another 30 min waiting for computer to update files etc and then I got to the screen asking to input my e-mail. Since I don't have one with MS I pressed skip, which promptly, without any warning revert back to Win 8 and deleted whole 8.1 upgrade download without even asking.
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
Yes Siw, I laughed too when I saw the Pete's post; I couldn't have hoped a better example of purposely misleading and wrong information and sometimes simple lies the anti-Eight troops are spreading to falsify the facts.

Let's see that post. First what I have marked with bold red font: If the user is not experienced enough to switch between Start Screen and Desktop by a simple press of the WIN key, or by clicking Desktop tile on Start Screen, then maybe Windows (any version) is simply too much and user should find a system better suitable to his / her capacities.

About the bold green statement in above quote of Pete's post: Switching between Start Screen and Desktop does not happen when you bring the pointer to right edge. Never. It does not even happen when pointer is brought to left edge. It only happens when user clicks left mouse button when pointer is located at the bottom left corner. Even the Charms Bar does not show when the mouse is brought to top or bottom right without user thereafter clearly moving pointer up or down.

I repeat: Bottom left, not right edge. And no, it does not switch to Start Screen simply by bringing the pointer there. Never.

Then the clear untruth (can't use here the word I would like to), the part I have highlighted yellow. That is so invalid, false disinformation that it together with the strange "bringing mouse to right edge brings Start Screen" (real name for so called Metro UI) makes me wonder if this user has ever even seen Eight in action. There is no Skip button when setting it up, and the upgrade does not revert back to 8 without user actions and notifying the user.

If we users do not read instructions, we cannot blame Microsoft or any other company.

Let's see what happens when a Windows 8 with only Local account (no email based Microsoft account in the whole machine) is upgraded to 8.1. I did this just now to get screenshots to prove my point.

First the start situation, only one local account, no Microsoft accounts:
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After 28 minutes, the over 2 GB upgrade was downloaded and installed. Reboot, 16 minutes for upgrade to set itself up, finally there:
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Next screen asks if I want to go with defaults or change something small (customer feedback options and such can be disabled / enabled here):
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Next screen asks me to sign to my Microsoft account, which I do not want to use in this machine, so naturally I select what Windows documentation asks me to select at this point:
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Which brings me to screen where I can tell Windows I want to continue using my existing (local) account:
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That's it, Windows 8 upgraded to 8.1 in about 50 minutes (including the download time), absolutely no SKIP buttons there. Only the four screens shown above are shown after first reboot when 8.1 upgrade is applied.

Again, I repeat: Absolutely sure there are no dialogs showing a SKIP button which can cause you to lose the upgrade.

I hope those users still not sure if they want to upgrade to Windows 8 can and will use their own brain and see through this disinformation spread on the Internet.


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05 Jun 2014   #26

Linux CENTOS 7 / various Windows OS'es and servers

Hi there
Actually W8.1 update 1 is not too bad at all -- there is a LOT of difference between W8 and the latest 8.1 with its updates so when people are writing about W8 they should make sure it's the LATEST version -- the Native (Original) W8 is actually now OBSOLETE.

You do though need a few bits of effort to get it to work if you are primarily a desktop type user - but as it now can boot straight to desktop that's not an issue any more --and you can use CUSTOM TOOLBARS as well as the quick launch bar and desktop short cuts so you can make W8.1 behave almost identically to W7 if you want.

Unless you have zillions of apps not having the START menu isn't really an issue any more --even with W7 I used custom toolbars in preference to the start menu.

My main complaints are - that unless you know the "get arounds" you need to create an Ms account, you need to input the serial number at install time (so no 30 day testing / etc until you get the config correct) and no ISO's (Grrrhhhhhh). (Retail copies have the ISO but not pre-installed versions).

Not having an ISO means you have to do updates via the wretched store thing so doing a clean re-install becomes very cumbersome. If you intend to use W8.1 it's worth getting a retail copy even if your machine comes pre-installed with W8.

If you can overcome these obstacles W8.1 runs often a lot slicker than W7, has native in built security and you know it's getting the latest security updates. Note also that those desktop themes you created for W7 will work on W8. The converse isn't true however.

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05 Jun 2014   #27

Windows 7 home premium 64bit

Remind me to never get between Kari and a bone
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05 Jun 2014   #28

W7 Pro x64 SP1 | W10 Pro IP x64 | W8.1 Pro x64 VM | Linux Mint VM

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
Unless you have zillions of apps not having the START menu isn't really an issue any more --even with W7 I used custom toolbars in preference to the start menu.
That's the one area I'd beg to differ on. OK, if people used custom toolbars on W7 then no problem, carry on as usual. But for people who do use the Start Menu religously then there's a big difference. I was completely lost without it so bought Start8 virtually straight away, it's now how I like it and it cost me $5. While there are alternatives to not having a Start button, you don't have to use them and learn a new way of interacting with your desktop.
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05 Jun 2014   #29
Microsoft MVP

Windows 7 Ultimate X64 SP1

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by lffoar View Post
Remind me to never get between Kari and a bone
True, Kari (and myself) get a 'bit' ruffled when opinions are presented as fact. If you have Win 8.x, maybe try a local PC tech for assistance. My neighbor just got a Win 8 lappy and I installed ClassicShell and she loves it, boots right to the desktop. Start8 is a paid-for option that does basically the same thing.

Try either one, it seems you've not really done anything.
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05 Jun 2014   #30
Anshad Edavana

Windows 7 Ultimate x64

Personally i have no issues with the new interface of "Windows 8" and actually i like it. But in my experience, 8 seems to be less stable than 7. After testing 8 on a wide variety of hardware ( ranging from Pentium dual core to core i7 ), i decided to stick with the rock solid "Windows 7" as my primary OS .
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