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Windows 7: Windows 7's Unexpected 'Killer' Feature

15 Nov 2009   #91
Colonel Travis

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Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by kanehi View Post
No one OS is better than the other. No OS is perfect and each has it's own flaws and merits. Whether you use 98, Win2K, XP, Vista, Win7 and it's functioning fine for you then there's really no reason to change.
Who thinks Vista is superior to 7? I'd like to know who today is using - exclusively - Windows 98? Or 3.1? How many people are running their company on an Atari 800? Not too long ago, Macs had the best OS for graphic design, photography and video. It wasn't a matter of preference - for certain jobs, they were indeed better than PCs, and they were better for many years. Today the differences between Macs and PCs are almost negligible, but you still see a preponderance of Macs being used in graphics/video/publishing companies. Why? Because there used to be significant differences between Macs and PCs in certain areas, and those people have remained loyal. You'll find photogs today who think Macs render color a little better. I'm not a pro photographer so I couldn't say, but I've worked with enough pros to give them the benefit of the doubt.

Comparing 7 and Snow Leopard, as far as I'm concerned, you're splitting hairs. But when you line up those OSs against what came before them, the flaws in the older systems grow bigger as time goes by.


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16 Nov 2009   #92
kanehi

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Apple catered more to specialized groups such as mentioned and thus their softwares were far superior to MS. Apple is a self contained entity and protect their proprietary licenses vigilantly (software and hardware). Microsoft on the other hand lets any company write programs for their OS. Most photo manipulation/rendering and multimedia programs aren't written by Microsoft themselves unlike Apple. Remember, Mr Gates used to work for Apple and will see similarities in the GUI. I remember back in the 70's where lots of OS were competing for supremacy and Microsoft won. Those days Microsoft were targeting 'business' users while Apple were targeting the 'academic' sector. Would you believe there are still people using Windows 98? While they are in the minority IT is still being used! Apple finally realized that they too can make money by enabling their system to use Windows programs and have the best of both worlds. Isn't this why they switched to more modern processors from Intel instead of staying with IBM branding? For me the most troublesome OS was Win2K.. it was the only OS that crashed often. Isn't this a Windows forum so why are we discussing Macs at all?
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16 Nov 2009   #93
goyta

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Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Colonel Travis View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by kanehi View Post
No one OS is better than the other. No OS is perfect and each has it's own flaws and merits. Whether you use 98, Win2K, XP, Vista, Win7 and it's functioning fine for you then there's really no reason to change.
Who thinks Vista is superior to 7? I'd like to know who today is using - exclusively - Windows 98? Or 3.1?
You'd be surprised. Granted, they are a small minority, but this is because like any machine, computers get old and fail beyond repair. But there are lots of people (and small businesses, too) who stick to their old computers as far as they can, often because they can't afford a new one, especially in developing countries.

There is also inertia - if it's working, why bother? I have a cousin who still used Windows 98 as late as three years ago, on a first-generation 120-MHz Pentium with 32 MB RAM and maybe a 2-GB HDD... She could afford a new PC, but she saw no reason for that (which reminds us how really bloated things have become - she was perfectly happy using Office 97, for example). She only bought a new PC, with XP, when her daughters started needing to use more the Internet and Windows 98 wouldn't support the more recent browsers that supported the features needed by most of today's web sites.
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16 Nov 2009   #94
goyta

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Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by kanehi View Post
Apple catered more to specialized groups such as mentioned and thus their softwares were far superior to MS. Apple is a self contained entity and protect their proprietary licenses vigilantly (software and hardware). Microsoft on the other hand lets any company write programs for their OS. Most photo manipulation/rendering and multimedia programs aren't written by Microsoft themselves unlike Apple. Remember, Mr Gates used to work for Apple and will see similarities in the GUI.
I have seen that statement repeated very often, but I find it extremely unfair. All GUI-based operating systems today still descend from original research work by Douglas Engelbart at Stanford, further refined by the researchers at Xerox PARC in the 1970s. All changes and improvements since then, and differences between OS implementations, are very minor considering the basic paradigm, which is still the same.

When Windows 95 appeared, with the Start button, right-click context menus and all those things that are still standard in Windows today, many people accused Microsoft of copying the Mac's interface. Actually, I've always found the two systems' interface very different, just like Gnome and KDE (the former closer in concept to MacOS, the latter to Windows). If Microsoft copied someone's look and interface workings, it had to be Sun's OpenWindows - when I first saw Windows 95, I was reminded of OpenWindows immediately. But OpenWindows was a specialized system for high-end workstations and not something that an average person would have the chance of seeing and comparing.

The only thing that apparently was inspired by Apple was the "Recycle Bin" - but even that was because users liked the idea and asked for it. (In fact, there were many third-party apps for Windows 3.x that implemented it.)


Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by kanehi View Post
For me the most troublesome OS was Win2K.. it was the only OS that crashed often.
You were very unlucky, then. Most people remember Win2K fondly as the best, most stable Windows version ever (ironically, launched almost at the same time as Windows Me, which is unanimously considered the worst ever). That was my own experience with it, too. In fact, you often see Windows 7's stability being compared to Windows 2000's in reviews, implying that the latter is still the gold standard for Windows versions in that respect. It did almost everything XP did, yet I used to run Win2K Workstation with outstanding performance (and remarkable stability) on a 233-MHz Pentium II, initially with only 64 MB RAM, later 128 MB.

I seriously considered installing Win2K now in a virtual machine for a few legacy Win7-incompatible apps I have to use in my work, because it's much lighter and less resource-intensive than XP, but I ended up installing the latter and still getting good performance.


Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by kanehi View Post
Isn't this a Windows forum so why are we discussing Macs at all?
Why are we comparing OSes at all, I would ask. You were very wise in your previous remark: the best OS is the one that works for you and does the job you need.
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16 Nov 2009   #95
Colonel Travis

Black Label 7 x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by kanehi View Post
Isn't this a Windows forum so why are we discussing Macs at all?
Because you said no OS was better than another. The marketplace and history proves that statement wrong, as well as this sentence from you in your subsequent post:

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by kanehi View Post
For me the most troublesome OS was Win2K.
That's it.
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17 Nov 2009   #96
kanehi

Win 7 Home Premium 64
 
 
Win2K

I stated Win2K was troublesome but it still worked. Could've been from tweaking it too much and from software incompatiblity. Like I said, whatever OS works for you you don't need to upgrade. I've been a Windows user since 3.1 and prior to that.. DOS, MSDOS and DRDOS. My first computer was a Commodore 64 and kinda miss it actually. My preferred OS back then was Radio Shack's... yes they had their own OS for the x86! BTW I liked WinME and my brother still uses it! LOL I wished I bought stocks in MS back then but then again I was too young thinking about investing.
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20 Nov 2009   #97
JackNaylorPE

Windows 7 - 64 bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Jordus View Post
You are crazy. NT4 was a pile of junk.
Well history disagrees with you in the sense that IT support time logs were lower on an "hours spent per user" basis for NT (post SP3) than any other OS before or since. NT was the last "Bloatware free" OS. Yes, it installed IE but add / remove programs took care of that problem. No "bundling" of unneeded apps that cause most of the problems that IT had to deal with. No "Windows Update" patches shutting down your entire CAD department as happened with XP's SP1. To date, we logged the most IT support hours on XP (pre SP2). Of course, we never had a Win9x, WinME or Vista box in the building.

NT4 was also 10% faster than it's predecessor on the same hardware, something no subsequent OS, even Win7, can claim. This 2 week old Win7 box I am typing from has already had more BSOD's then the NT 4 box in the other room has had in over 10 years of 24/7 usage. Trying to compare virtualizing a "last millenium server OS" on modern hardware with using period hardware with period single user OS on stand alone boxes is a bit of a stretch don't ya think ?
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