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Windows 7: Windows 7's Unexpected 'Killer' Feature

09 Nov 2009   #31
Zidane24

Windows 7 Home Premium x64 - Mac OS X 10.6.4 x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Xzaviar View Post
Lets face some facts here. Those of us that are interested enough to belong to forums such as this are in the top ten percentile of computer users. I'm running Win 7 X64 build 7600 on my desktop, I have plenty of space and my configuration is running it without any push whatsoever.
I'm typing this on my XP laptop, while sitting on the couch next to my wife who is on her XP laptop browsing the internet
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I have four children which all have their own computers that run XP. XP runs BF2142, Fallout 3, Crysis... just fine and I have no intentions of switching them to Win 7. Why should I? XP works!
The biggest challenge Microsoft has in getting people to switch to Win 7 is the afor mentioned point. WIN XP WORKS!
I mentoned to my wife that I may put 7 on her desktop and she replied; NO! I'm not changing anything until it stops working.
Many people were scared when Vista came out. They thought that they were going to have to upgrade because there was a new Windows out there and that it wouldn't be long before features of XP were obsolete. When Vista flopped and manufacturers offered free downgrades to new computers that featured XP the masses became to realize that thier preconceptions of XP simply not working one day were unfounded.
That right there is Microsoft's biggest hurdle with Win 7; Win XP will not stop preforming it's magic for the masses just because a new release is out there.
I work for the Post Office and use a computer everyday and they have not even one computer running anything but Win XP! Many corperations are the same in this aspect.
I like Win 7, it's a great OS but it has it's bugs. First and foremost for me was evident from the first time I installed build 7200 about six months ago in the Betta trial. The hybrid sleep is screwed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I have to disable this feature in advanced power config to get the darn thing to run for more that 30 seconds after sleep. I spent many hours on this issue and could not resolve the problem. I'm not alone with this issue, there are hundreds of threads for this paticullar issue on many forums out there. There are also many other issues out there like having to get into the guts of the registry to tweek it so some pgms. will work. These apps worked fine on XP!
I don't see people flocking to the stores to upgrade thier hardware so they can install Win 7. With the Vista expirence under their belts, it's just not necessary and potentially a mistake in their minds. The average computer user now realizes they have a choice, and I believe their choice will end up being; Leave well enough alone! If it ant broke don't fix it! And many other age old euphamusms.
From a marketing standpoint, that's my two cents. Thanks for reading the rant. (I do like Win 7)
Okay...

First: A hardware upgrade is not needed to run 7...it has been ran on Pentium IIs and above with no issues. Drivers may be an issue but that is a fault of the manufacture not Microsoft

Second: When Windows 7 launched Oct. 22 it sold more than Vista or 7 did in the same launch period...the demand for 7 is higher than the other two.

Third: There was no build 7200...if you indeed ran one with that build number than it was a hacked copy

Fourth: Your issue with hybrid sleep IS A DRIVER ISSUE!!!!!!!!! This is not an issue with Windows. WHY CAN'T PEOPLE COMPREHEND THIS!!!


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09 Nov 2009   #32
echrada

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 



Is that Randall in disguise?
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09 Nov 2009   #33
SquonkSC

Win7 Build 7600 x86
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Zidane24 View Post
Okay...

First: A hardware upgrade is not needed to run 7...it has been ran on Pentium IIs and above with no issues. Drivers may be an issue but that is a fault of the manufacture not Microsoft

Second: When Windows 7 launched Oct. 22 it sold more than Vista or 7 did in the same launch period...the demand for 7 is higher than the other two.

Third: There was no build 7200...if you indeed ran one with that build number than it was a hacked copy

Fourth: Your issue with hybrid sleep IS A DRIVER ISSUE!!!!!!!!! This is not an issue with Windows. WHY CAN'T PEOPLE COMPREHEND THIS!!!


Your attempt at being a troll has being debunked
Zidane, mate, I'm sorry to disagree with you.

I thought that xzaviar actually wrote a well balanced, well argumented piece. (very readable too).

Some of his arguments were not completely correct, or based upon wrong conclusions, but to call the guy a troll for it, goes a bit too far IMHO.

He himself called it a rant, but if his piece constitutes a rant, a petty thief should get the death penalty.

I think he has a genuine point when he says MS will have a hard time selling W7 to the masses, partly because of Vista's bad name, and mostly because of "why upgrade if XP does everything you want?".

We obviously like Win7, but let's try not to take every comment on it so personal.

Greetings
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09 Nov 2009   #34
Zidane24

Windows 7 Home Premium x64 - Mac OS X 10.6.4 x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by SquonkSC View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Zidane24 View Post
Okay...

First: A hardware upgrade is not needed to run 7...it has been ran on Pentium IIs and above with no issues. Drivers may be an issue but that is a fault of the manufacture not Microsoft

Second: When Windows 7 launched Oct. 22 it sold more than Vista or 7 did in the same launch period...the demand for 7 is higher than the other two.

Third: There was no build 7200...if you indeed ran one with that build number than it was a hacked copy

Fourth: Your issue with hybrid sleep IS A DRIVER ISSUE!!!!!!!!! This is not an issue with Windows. WHY CAN'T PEOPLE COMPREHEND THIS!!!


Your attempt at being a troll has being debunked
Zidane, mate, I'm sorry to disagree with you.

I thought that xzaviar actually wrote a well balanced, well argumented piece. (very readable too).

Some of his arguments were not completely correct, or based upon wrong conclusions, but to call the guy a troll for it, goes a bit too far IMHO.

He himself called it a rant, but if his piece constitutes a rant, a petty thief should get the death penalty.

I think he has a genuine point when he says MS will have a hard time selling W7 to the masses, partly because of Vista's bad name, and mostly because of "why upgrade if XP does everything you want?".

We obviously like Win7, but let's try not to take every comment on it so personal.

Greetings
I called him a troll because...well...it was the first thing that came to mind

Okay...I take the troll comment back...but my other comments were correct
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09 Nov 2009   #35
Dinesh

Windows® 8 Pro (64-bit)
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Xzaviar View Post
Lets face some facts here. Those of us that are interested enough to belong to forums such as this are in the top ten percentile of computer users. I'm running Win 7 X64 build 7600 on my desktop, I have plenty of space and my configuration is running it without any push whatsoever.
I'm typing this on my XP laptop, while sitting on the couch next to my wife who is on her XP laptop browsing the internet
.
I have four children which all have their own computers that run XP. XP runs BF2142, Fallout 3, Crysis... just fine and I have no intentions of switching them to Win 7. Why should I? XP works!
The biggest challenge Microsoft has in getting people to switch to Win 7 is the afor mentioned point. WIN XP WORKS!
I mentoned to my wife that I may put 7 on her desktop and she replied; NO! I'm not changing anything until it stops working.
Many people were scared when Vista came out. They thought that they were going to have to upgrade because there was a new Windows out there and that it wouldn't be long before features of XP were obsolete. When Vista flopped and manufacturers offered free downgrades to new computers that featured XP the masses became to realize that thier preconceptions of XP simply not working one day were unfounded.
That right there is Microsoft's biggest hurdle with Win 7; Win XP will not stop preforming it's magic for the masses just because a new release is out there.
I work for the Post Office and use a computer everyday and they have not even one computer running anything but Win XP! Many corperations are the same in this aspect.
I like Win 7, it's a great OS but it has it's bugs. First and foremost for me was evident from the first time I installed build 7200 about six months ago in the Betta trial. The hybrid sleep is screwed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I have to disable this feature in advanced power config to get the darn thing to run for more that 30 seconds after sleep. I spent many hours on this issue and could not resolve the problem. I'm not alone with this issue, there are hundreds of threads for this paticullar issue on many forums out there. There are also many other issues out there like having to get into the guts of the registry to tweek it so some pgms. will work. These apps worked fine on XP!
I don't see people flocking to the stores to upgrade thier hardware so they can install Win 7. With the Vista expirence under their belts, it's just not necessary and potentially a mistake in their minds. The average computer user now realizes they have a choice, and I believe their choice will end up being; Leave well enough alone! If it ant broke don't fix it! And many other age old euphamusms.
From a marketing standpoint, that's my two cents. Thanks for reading the rant. (I do like Win 7)
I completely agree with you. Its like if your old 14" TV which was bought in 1998, why would you buy the shiny 28" LCD TV? After all, the old TV still serves its purpose.
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09 Nov 2009   #36
SquonkSC

Win7 Build 7600 x86
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Zidane24 View Post
First: A hardware upgrade is not needed to run 7...it has been ran on Pentium IIs and above with no issues. Drivers may be an issue but that is a fault of the manufacture not Microsoft
The odds of Win7 running well or even at all on a pentium II are very slim.
It has been done, but in most cases you'll end up with a lot of unrecognized hardware, and chances for drivers that work are slim.

You are right that in most cases manufacturers are reluctant to produce drivers for Win7 or even Vista.
They rather sell you new stuff.
But Microsoft has done it's fair share to make upgrading older hardware a daunting task.

The artificial barrier for graphics cards they have built to run Aero, is nothing short of ridiculous.
Any geforce 4 is more than capable of running Aero's transparency smoothly.
They run Vista's Aero without a glitch, but Win7's demand for 64mb, Directx9 and WDDM1.1 has rendered those cards useless for Aero.

And let's face it. If you are going to pay 199 bucks for Win7, you want to run it with all the eye candy.

Personally I think Win7's biggest opponent will be Vista, even if that sounds crazy.
Despite the negative comments on Vista, a lot of people made the switch and with SP2 it has actually developed into a mature and stable platform.
Most hardware finally have Vista drivers, and people can run aero without having to spend money on a new graphics card.

A well tuned XP system is nothing to be ashamed of.
If you are not a geek like us, why on earth would you spend money on a new OS, while the old OS is running fine on your older stuff?
Chances are you will be disappointed when you run into trouble with the drivers or other incompatibilities, and you end up bashing W7.

Quote:
Second: When Windows 7 launched Oct. 22 it sold more than Vista or XP did in the same launch period...the demand for 7 is higher than the other two.
In case of Vista you're right.
In case of XP you are being mislead by the media.

The reason XP saw less global sales in the first weeks or even months,
especially in Japan, is because it took quite some time for it to be released in peoples native language.
Win7 is released with the languages already supported.

Just give it a year, and you'll see that Windows 7 will not beat XP in global sales.
From windows 98 to XP was one of the biggest steps in MS history,
because it was the first consumer OS that would be based on the corporate architecture.

With all due respect to Win7, (I love it to pieces), you could hardly call it a giant step from Vista, or even XP.

From a average user's or small business perspective, there isn't anything win7 can do that XP can't.
Burning CD's/DVD's, Office tasks, Internet, Email, Music production, Photo and Video production, CAD/CAM, you name it.
XP can do it equally well, and after SP2 and 3 it does it rock solid stable.

So Xzaviar may be more right than you think.

Quote:
Fourth: Your issue with hybrid sleep IS A DRIVER ISSUE!!!!!!!!! This is not an issue with Windows. WHY CAN'T PEOPLE COMPREHEND THIS!!!
Probably because you are first one to tell him.

Greetings.
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09 Nov 2009   #37
Xzaviar

6@Win XP 1@Vista (1@Win 7 (Mine))
 
 
Win 7 is not perfect!!!

Seems that I started a firestorm. That wasn't my intent.
Sorry about the build 7200; Oops it was build 7100 direct from Microsoft along with a key provided by them and activated through them!!! That's the only comment I didn't much care for.
As far as the Hybrid sleep; I'm sure it's a driver issue, however it is cross platform and the mystery has not been solved. In a "Major Release" such as this, with the problem existing for as long as this has it is inexcusable. The Microsoft Techs in the forums from the betta testing could only respond time and time again with "it's a driver issue" and "we offer no support for betta software" blah, blah, blah..... All hype to me and the many others that have all the latest drivers, clean installs, latest hardware, and latest BIOS..... This should have been resolved by the billion dollar giant MICROSOFT. But alas they are not perfect and neither is Windows 7. It needs at least one service pack before I'll rate it anything better then very very pretty.
Remember, I really like Win 7!!!
Pentium II Get real, who on earth would run that config?
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09 Nov 2009   #38
Kari

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Xzaviar View Post
Lets face some facts here. Those of us that are interested enough to belong to forums such as this are in the top ten percentile of computer users. I'm running Win 7 X64 build 7600 on my desktop, I have plenty of space and my configuration is running it without any push whatsoever. ...
From a marketing standpoint, that's my two cents. Thanks for reading the rant. (I do like Win 7)
I'm quite sure you drive your '92 Dodge or Volvo as long as you can find spare parts. I mean, why bother to get something new when the old one is still working. Who needs all this new crap, navigators and car entertainment systems when you can always stop, open the window and ask directions, singing yourself all the way.

About how much Windows Seven experience your wife had when she said no to Seven? I guess none. I guess she formed her opinion by listening experts like you.

I don't work for the postal services. Instead, I work as an IT consultant. Maybe that's why I hear something totally different than you. I have to tell you my colleagues and customers are keen and interested to be able to migrate, to upgrade to Seven. And why not? It is reliable, fast and when installed correctly it works like a dream.

Even my wife got Seven; she saw me installing this fabulous OS to my computers and was all the time asking when she can have it on her computers. Couple of weeks ago I finally installed it both on her laptop and desktop. She's happy, keeps telling me computing has never been so much fun. Sharing our printers and media at home has never been so easy than now, all computers running Seven.

Just my two cents...

Kari

P.S. Can't say it as good as my dear friend Dinesh:
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Dinesh View Post
I completely agree with you. Its like if your old 14" TV which was bought in 1998, why would you buy the shiny 28" LCD TV? After all, the old TV still serves its purpose.
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09 Nov 2009   #39
SquonkSC

Win7 Build 7600 x86
 
 

My friends, we obviously love Win7, otherwise we would all have to get our heads examined.

But lets be careful to give people some room to post comments or complaints without executing them on the spot.

I think Xzaviar had some valid and some less valid points, but even if he didn't, this is a discussion forum!!
We should try to convince someone with arguments and facts, and be open to discussion and even valid criticism.

I am worried about the way some of my good friends get really personal with their comments.

We can not state someone would rather stay with his old car until the parts run out, just because he has some criticism on Windows 7.
And we should not bring someones family into the discussion.

Xzaviar stated in every post he actually loves windows 7, and still he gets a bad treatment in my opinion.

The hybrid problem Xzaviar mentioned is a valid point of criticism, because it happens also with drivers that Windows downloads through updates,
and those are checked and signed by Microsoft before they are posted.

The fact this has been an issue ever since the 7100 build, and still isn't solved is at the least questionable.

Why shouldn't someone be allowed to make a negative comment about that?

Greetings
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09 Nov 2009   #40
Night Hawk

W7 Ultimate x64/W10 Pro x64 dual boot main build-remote pc W10 Pro x64 Insider Preview/W7 Pro x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Zidane24 View Post
I normally use about 13GB of disc space on my laptop (Windows + Office + ETC)

I can see you guys shuddering as you read this
Shuddering? Let's the drive with the 64bit RC still on it has 436gb used there and now after only about two weeks the drive with the retail 7 sees some 146gb used.

In total shock is more like it! "that much used already?! "

Now when looking back at XP I would have to say that attracted more bugs and saw more errors until MS finally came out with SP3 with the long await 1,000+ fixes! With a 3rd drive free I may setup another XP install for one older app as well as having that on as a reference install only since I have the extra space.

Vista saw a lot of vulnerabilities cleared out but a bit too much for many especially with older systems. Vista will replace the 64bit RC in due time and stay with this build. I still have a few XP clunkers onhand here I have to refurbish for student use. Besides being a much larger newer version it's folly was a total lack of initial support on many things.

For 7 MS decided to step upto the plate and start demanding driver support be available. But for those running old builds and older model desktops/laptops finding Vista drivers at least allows 7 there. 7 as far as gaming makes XP look like a loser since much has been improved in that area. But then you have to go by what does work for each.
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