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Windows 7: Microsoft Security Essentials last in banking trojan detection test

09 Mar 2015   #21
whs
Microsoft MVP

Vista, Windows7, Mint Mate, Zorin, Windows 8
 
 

The problem is that you really don't know whether an AV program is any good. You may just be lucky and never be attacked. I know NIS was fishing out a few of those buggers on my system, but with MSE I never saw any action. In fact at one time Mbam found a keylogger that got past MSE. Frequent scans with powerful scanners are useful. But sometimes even a blind chicken (like SAS) finds a grain, LOL. And then don't forget - imaging, imaging, imaging saves your bacon.
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09 Mar 2015   #22
Seffrid

Windows 7 Home Premium 64
 
 

I have used both Avast and AVG in the past. Both were slowing down the machine as well as throwing up a lot of false positives. I ended up following the advice of my local repair shop and using MSE with regular manual scans using the free MBAM. I haven't had any problems in the two or three years since, but only do limited browsing, plus streaming on YouTube etc and no movie or music downloads. I mainly use the computers for gaming. I don't connect my smart phone to my computers and I don't do internet banking, using ATMs inside bank premises whenever possible. I don't do imaging although I keep meaning to look into it, but it looks quite involved.

I find the problem with switching to the "Best Performer" is that no sooner do you get the current favourite installed than another report comes out recommending something else.
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09 Mar 2015   #23
Callender

Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 7601 Multiprocessor Free Service Pack 1
 
 

Well I'd say all AV's have weaknesses. At any point in time you could be left unprotected against new exploits anyway. I've always understood that any AV will leave holes in security and try to patch those holes using other methods and other software. The main criteria for me when choosing an AV is it's impact on performance and it's configurability. Doesn't really matter if it has the best percentage figures on detections.

I'm with WHS with the Linux approach. Anything that I think is really dodgy and I'll boot from a Linux Live USB.
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10 Mar 2015   #24
jimbo45

Linux CENTOS 7 / various Windows OS'es and servers
 
 

Hi there

Remember W7 is now an aging OS -- the whole thing works much better in W10 where security is integrated into the OS rather than just being an application running on it.

Even so - if you manage your computer correctly and take sensible precautions there's no reason to get ANYTHING nasty installed on your machine in the first place.

All these tests are "Fake" anyway in the sense that the Trojans are INSTALLED on the machines in the first place so that the detection tests can run.

What none of these "Tests" or "Stats" provide is the likelihood of one of these Trojans getting on to your machine in the first place.

It's rather like saying your chances of getting killed are 99.9% if you deliberately run across a Los Angeles 10 Lane freeway - but in practice since you are never likely to do it in the first place then the REAL % is probably nearer ZERO.

You can prove anything you like with Statistics -- simply use your computer and the Internet safely and you should never get any of these problems appearing -- and remember most Scams these days are of such a nature that they can't be protected against purely by software no matter how smart it is.

Cheers
jimbo
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10 Mar 2015   #25
Jonguy30

Windows 7 x64 Home Premium SP1
 
 

Wow, this sure got heated.

The one antivirus software I use is MSE. Why? Because it is the AV that has the least bs in it such as pop-ups, ads, or slowing your system down. And it's free, has no time limit, does not require online registration and finally it has a very user friendly UI. Why doesn't all AVs have such a user-friendly UI? For example the avast UI is just horrible.

I've tried other free AVs but I didn't like them. The first one was avast! which I used for a long time. But the last couple of versions I just had it. Couldn't stand the new interface and all the stuff they keep adding to it ("bloat"). Then tried avira, but it slowed down my system so I ditched that one too. And now I have MSE and am happy with it.

I also used to use MBAM but I don't like the new version so I don't run it anymore.
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10 Mar 2015   #26
Brink

64-bit Windows 10 Pro
 
 

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10 Mar 2015   #27
Seffrid

Windows 7 Home Premium 64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Jonguy30 View Post
I also used to use MBAM but I don't like the new version so I don't run it anymore.
They have just confirmed that version 1.75 will continue to be supported for another year.
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10 Mar 2015   #28
Lady Fitzgerald

 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Seffrid View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Jonguy30 View Post
I also used to use MBAM but I don't like the new version so I don't run it anymore.
They have just confirmed that version 1.75 will continue to be supported for another year.
The new version (2.0, not the recently released beta) is much faster than the old one and, now that the initial bugs have been worked out, it seems to work just fine. However, the UI is an almost completely different breed of cat and took me a few days to figure out how to get it set up the way I want (having the paid version and wanting scheduled scans, updates, etc. complicated things a bit).
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12 Mar 2015   #29
groze

W10 32 bit, XUbuntu 18.xx 64 bit
 
 

Lady Fitgerald,
I use clamav on Win98se and xp sp3 (Once other free virus manufacture stopped supported the old operating system.) There was a time I went without but I had Norton's Ghost back up and before that mine own backup using pkdos and boot floppy. I always had a way to restore from a backup. I got that nasty virus that comes after you install windows xp orginal or was it sp2 can't remember. Had to use windows 98se to download the patch and had to reinstall xp. My previous systems has a dual boot with windows xp and Windows 98se. I am still dual booting now I have windows 7 and Xubuntu 14.10

Whs,
Thank you for the tip on the Linux versions I will try them out
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13 Mar 2015   #30
carwiz

Windows 7 Pro-x64
 
 

That chart (and the test) is skewed in favor of the other antivirus systems. The AV segment that catches such transactions is in Internet Explorer and the OS and thus not part of the test. It's done all the time with these types of tests. They don't know how to compare it to the MS system so they use the published base numbers all the time. It will always appear that MSE falls short since they don't test it the way it is used in the system.


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