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Windows 7: Microsoft Security Essentials last in banking trojan detection test

13 Mar 2015   #31
Seffrid

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Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by carwiz View Post
That chart (and the test) is skewed in favor of the other antivirus systems. The AV segment that catches such transactions is in Internet Explorer and the OS and thus not part of the test. It's done all the time with these types of tests. They don't know how to compare it to the MS system so they use the published base numbers all the time. It will always appear that MSE falls short since they don't test it the way it is used in the system.
So are you saying that if we're using MSE we ought also to be using IE rather than a different browser? Is that the only way that we can rely on MSE?


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13 Mar 2015   #32
Phone Man

Windows 8.1 Pro w/Media Center 64bit, Windows 7 HP 64bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by carwiz View Post
That chart (and the test) is skewed in favor of the other antivirus systems. The AV segment that catches such transactions is in Internet Explorer and the OS and thus not part of the test. It's done all the time with these types of tests. They don't know how to compare it to the MS system so they use the published base numbers all the time. It will always appear that MSE falls short since they don't test it the way it is used in the system.
Here is a quote from the report on the test:

Quote:
Testing is conducted by:
a. Downloading the sample using Internet Explorer to the desktop, closing Internet Explorer,
conducting a context menu scan or, where unavailable, a system scan, and then executing the
sample.
6. A test is deemed to have been passed based on the following criteria:
a. The security application blocks the URL where the sample is located, thus preventing its
download.
b. The security application detects the sample whilst it is being downloaded to the desktop.
c. The security application detects the sample during the context or system scan.
d. The security application detects the sample when it is executed
Jim
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13 Mar 2015   #33
carwiz

Windows 7 Pro-x64
 
 

That's not what I said at all. All I'm saying is that most of the AV tests are skewed because they don't include all of MS's features for security. Windows 7, by itself, has a rating somewhere in the high 70s or 80s%. That's right our of the box with no AV running. You never see it appearing in the AV tests or even mentioned. Security for a PC is more than any single AV can accomplish. Each has strong points and each has weak points. MS choose to incorporate many security features in the OS as well as software such as Office and Internet Explorer. This is also the primary reason MS dropped support for Gadgets. These can/could operate as a browser with no security at all. They also could perform restricted I/O at the processor level for which no AV can catch. These are sometimes caught by accident when the system BSODs. You should thank the Windows OS for that. I saw countless examples of this in my BSOD Team days. Even as dangerous as these are, people still use them and find ways to override Windows' attempt to suppress them. Go figure.

I asked a simple question on another recent thread when most were saying they never heard of malware entering a PC through the Gadgets interface. My question was simply; What is the footprint that allows someone to determine the origin of malware and make that determination? Or something close to that effect. I never got an answer.

If you want a secure PC then you have to take an active part in it and make choices that support it. Relying on just an AV will not save you no matter which one you use. And it's pretty obvious from the graph above that my choices for a browser would NOT include Firefox or Opera.
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13 Mar 2015   #34
groze

W10 32 bit, XUbuntu 18.xx 64 bit
 
 

Carwiz,
I just thought Microsoft was lazy in not fixing the Gadget and concentrating on live titles instead windows 8 & 10. They could of add live titles to windows 7 as an option.
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13 Mar 2015   #35
Phone Man

Windows 8.1 Pro w/Media Center 64bit, Windows 7 HP 64bit
 
 

What MS features were not used in this test. They used Windows 7 OS, Internet Explorer and an AV and showed the results only changing the AV.

Jim
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13 Mar 2015   #36
Solarstarshines

Windows 10 Home Premium 64bit sp1
 
 

I've been using Webroot forever glad to know my Virus Protect is one of the top three
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13 Mar 2015   #37
lehnerus2000

W7 Ultimate SP1, LM19.2 MATE, W10 Home 1703, W10 Pro 1703 VM, #All 64 bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by carwiz View Post
And it's pretty obvious from the graph above that my choices for a browser would NOT include Firefox or Opera.
Which version of Opera?
Since it seems to be based on Chrome, why are the results so different?

Once you add ad, flash & script blockers to Firefox it should be rock solid.
Once I swapped from IE6 to FF (2006?) malware attacks dropped off to basically zero.

Chrome 41 and Firefox 36(?) were rated as not vulnerable to FREAK.

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by groze View Post
Carwiz,
I just thought Microsoft was lazy in not fixing the Gadget and concentrating on live titles instead windows 8 & 10. They could of add live titles to windows 7 as an option.
More like trying to force users to use Live Tiles (just like eliminating the Start Menu)
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13 Mar 2015   #38
groze

W10 32 bit, XUbuntu 18.xx 64 bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by lehnerus2000 View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by carwiz View Post
And it's pretty obvious from the graph above that my choices for a browser would NOT include Firefox or Opera.
Which version of Opera?
Since it seems to be based on Chrome, why are the results so different?

Once you add ad, flash & script blockers to Firefox it should be rock solid.
Once I swapped from IE6 to FF (2006?) malware attacks dropped off to basically zero.

Chrome 41 and Firefox 36(?) were rated as not vulnerable to FREAK.
lehnerus2000, how does Seamonkey browsers compare with malware attacks?
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13 Mar 2015   #39
lehnerus2000

W7 Ultimate SP1, LM19.2 MATE, W10 Home 1703, W10 Pro 1703 VM, #All 64 bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by groze View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by lehnerus2000 View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by carwiz View Post
And it's pretty obvious from the graph above that my choices for a browser would NOT include Firefox or Opera.
Which version of Opera?
Since it seems to be based on Chrome, why are the results so different?

Once you add ad, flash & script blockers to Firefox it should be rock solid.
Once I swapped from IE6 to FF (2006?) malware attacks dropped off to basically zero.

Chrome 41 and Firefox 36(?) were rated as not vulnerable to FREAK.
lehnerus2000, how does Seamonkey browsers compare with malware attacks?
I don't know anything about SeaMonkey (apart from the name).
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14 Mar 2015   #40
maxseven

Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit 6.1 Build 7601 (SP1)
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by carwiz View Post
That's not what I said at all. All I'm saying is that most of the AV tests are skewed because they don't include all of MS's features for security. Windows 7, by itself, has a rating somewhere in the high 70s or 80s%. That's right our of the box with no AV running. You never see it appearing in the AV tests or even mentioned. Security for a PC is more than any single AV can accomplish. Each has strong points and each has weak points. MS choose to incorporate many security features in the OS as well as software such as Office and Internet Explorer. This is also the primary reason MS dropped support for Gadgets. These can/could operate as a browser with no security at all. They also could perform restricted I/O at the processor level for which no AV can catch. These are sometimes caught by accident when the system BSODs. You should thank the Windows OS for that. I saw countless examples of this in my BSOD Team days. Even as dangerous as these are, people still use them and find ways to override Windows' attempt to suppress them. Go figure.

I asked a simple question on another recent thread when most were saying they never heard of malware entering a PC through the Gadgets interface. My question was simply; What is the footprint that allows someone to determine the origin of malware and make that determination? Or something close to that effect. I never got an answer.

If you want a secure PC then you have to take an active part in it and make choices that support it. Relying on just an AV will not save you no matter which one you use. And it's pretty obvious from the graph above that my choices for a browser would NOT include Firefox or Opera.
Thanks for this carwiz!

I do wonder, since some of us are addicted to our lovely desktop Gadgets, if you have ever seen a 3rd party alternative to the Windows Gadget Platform.

I also wonder why MS didn't simply kill the GP in an "update"--they must have corporate users with custom gadgets or something that keeps them from removing it huh...or maybe they just don't want the negative customer repercussions...
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