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Windows 7: You will upgrade to Windows 10: Inside Microsoft's strong-arm upgrade

23 Jan 2016   #31

Win-7-Pro64bit 7-H-Prem-64bit

Yea you can connect most of the poor performance of to it's animated adds
M$'s response is always upgrade to a paid for version
This will continue in all of the build in apps in win-10

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Yep the Microsoft kb i posted didn't work but thankfully I used Shawn's disable os upgrades and it did work
Mine now looks like your Wolfgang
Used it on my laptop too
Thanks Shawn
Your post showing the GWX Control Panel appears to be an older version. The latest is v1.7.1.0 released 18 January 2016.
Thanks I never noticed that :)

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23 Jan 2016   #32

1. Windows 7 Home Premium sp1 - 64bit 2. Windows 7 Pro sp1 - 64bit

You're welcome.
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28 Jan 2016   #33

Windows 8.1 x64 Pro and Linux Mint Cinnamon 18.3 (dual boot)
Warning: I can't write short messages

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Berkey View Post
What's at the end of the tunnel when the one year mark is met?I can't imagine the the purchase of apps is what's going to bring home the bacon, but I could be wrong.
They're pushing the one-year time frame, I think, because that is the free "upgrade" period for 7 and 8, and they know that if they can't get us to do it for free, they surely won't be able to get us to pay $100 plus for the same privilege. If there is still a good bunch of 7 users around then, MS is really in a bind-- do they extend their free "upgrade" period, basically begging people to PLEASE take their free upgrade that they have rejected for an entire year... thus tipping Microsoft's hand and showing that their entire upgrade push was more about their desperate desire to get people on 10 than anything else?

It will be fascinating to see how this plays out.

Windows 8 was a failure in the marketplace because its dual platform design ended up serving neither as well as respective dedicated operating systems would have. 10 was supposed to be the OS that 8 "should have been," but the one feature that doomed 8 (being neither a dedicated desktop OS nor a dedicated mobile OS) is still very much in evidence. Of course, Microsoft being what it is now, has found myriad new ways to alienate its users that have nothing to do with the already-rejected "one OS to rule them all" idea, like the adware, spying, forced updates, among others.

Microsoft has no robust app market that compares to that of Apple or Google, and people expect that when buying a smart phone or tablet. As long as the market share of Windows mobile devices is tiny, devs won't be all that motivated to write for that platform, which means that most people looking for a new mobile device will (as has been the custom for years) completely overlook MS and think of it in terms of either iOS or Android. Microsoft is way behind in building a decent app library, and they think they have only one shot at it... to use their near monopoly on the declining PC market while it still matters to pole-vault them into the same league as their competitors.

If MS can convince app developers that they have a built-in market of customers even without Windows mobile devices amounting to anything significant in market share, then those devs may begin writing apps, which makes the Windows mobile devices more attractive because of the bigger app market and because PC users who buy into the "app" melee can more easily be persuaded to keep using those apps on the go on their brand new mobile device.

That's the pitch MS is making to devs... get two for the price of one! Make a universal Windows app and access the desktop market and the mobile market at the same time? How could you lose?

That only works, though, if the Windows mobile market exceeds the size of the Windows market that can't use the Windows apps. In that case, the best bet for "two for the price of one" is to make any app a Win32 program and cover the entire market, perhaps extending as far down as Windows XP, Vista, 7, 8, 8.1, and 10. As long as the "prior versions" Windows market is bigger than the Windows mobile market, it will be smarter for software developers to write in native Win32 and ignore Windows "apps."

Microsoft threw us (the traditional mouse & keyboard PC users) under the bus pretty hard to try to force their way into the mobile app market, and as many prognosticators have told us that in the face of the failure of Windows 8, Windows 10 is a "make or break" product whose success (or lack thereof) will decide whether MS continues on as it has been or becomes the next former juggernaut that is now little more than a punch line, like AOL or Microsoft's own IE. They've decided the goodwill and trust of their users (many of whom have been loyal Windows users for 25+ years) is expendable; the mission of getting people into the market for "apps" is the only thing that matters. Unhappy users who begrudgingly adopt 10 is a win; happy users that stick with 7 is a loss. Customer satisfaction is not an end unto itself, but is instead only useful as far as it can be leveraged to get people into the "app" market. That's the sole metric by which anything is judged in terms of Windows, and MS has bet the farm on it. They are all in on that strategy.

I'm ready to stick with 7 for four more years. Why not? It's as close to an ideal OS as MS has ever produced, by my standards. 10 has a ton I don't want and nothing I do (DirectX12 would be nice, but right now, it is of no benefit). Four years is a very long time-- Microsoft's gambit of sacrificing all of their goodwill (such that it was) in the name of building an app market will almost certainly have succeeded or failed by then. It seems destined to fail, IMO... at the present time, Windows 10, despite being a free upgrade for non-enterprise users of 7 and 8 that has been available for six months, has only just exceeded the OS market share of Windows XP, while still lagging behind Windows 8 (!) and not even coming close to Windows 7.

Microsoft won't get me to upgrade before I am ready. I've been screening updates before accepting them (one by one) since there were Windows Updates (it surprises me that so many computer-savvy people don't do this-- even before MS gave me a reason to believe they would stoop to abusing the update process as they have recently, it just struck me as a no-brainer to pick and choose what is installed on MY computer rather than letting Microsoft do it), so I never saw the GWX adware or any of the other things we've been reading about. The telemetry updates never made it onto my puters either, and neither did any of the "this update makes it easier to upgrade to the latest version of Windows" things. It's just business as usual here... smooth Windows 7 sailing, same as always. Even if they did slip in a bit of "update" malware that I did not catch (like a trojan within a legitimate security update that I would accept), I keep meticulous backups, and I would not hesitate to roll it back.

Funny thing about human nature-- people hate being told what to do. The more they try to force 10, the more I want to resist it. Windows 10, you shall not pass!
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28 Jan 2016   #34

Windows 7 64-bit, Windows 8.1 64-bit, OSX El Capitan, Windows 10 (VMware)

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It's just speculation as to MS's part in the big push of Ten, but data mining is big business nowadays. And a lot of places are jumping on the bandwagon. When your software runs on 95% (+/- a couple points) of computers all over the world, you have a huge potential for income from that gathered info. You've seen reports of the amount of data gathered by Google alone. Imagine having many, many more times that amount of data just because of the sheer volume MS OS's out there. And unlike Google which only gathers info when you use their services or apps, 10 is gathering all the time, from the moment you turn your PC on to the minute it shuts down.
You make it sound like a wet dream for intelligence agencies with three letters acronyms, maybe that's why the government does not complain about W10's "telemetry"...

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OS's don't make money anymore according to recent reports, & in the wake of Apple giving away their latest OS upgrade away for free, other avenues of income need to be sought out. Although I can't see why Apples move would panic MS as they still sell their share of OS's as well as apps. As I said, they have the Lions share of the business.
Apple's OS/iOS updates had been free for a long time, this is nothing new...

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And it could very well happen down the road, that some legalese in the EULA will give them the right to either bombard you with "user specific" ads, of even charge for patches. Or, you may have to pay a fee NOT to see ads.

So for now it'll be interesting to see what happens down the road if/when the reason for the push is revealed. One thing I do not appreciate is having to spend time pouring over updates on patch Tue. As if it wasn't bad enough in the past 6+ months of buggy updates to watch out for, now there's another thing to try & avoid.

From appearances, having been found out & faced with a lot of people now deciding to stay with their 7 & 8 systems due to "spying issues" with 10, MS decided "If you can't win em over, then alter the already in place OS so it does the same thing 10 is doing now." Add telemetry trackers to everything, and they won't be missing out on data from 7 & 8 users.

I can accept that an OS may need data input from users, especially in the early stages of development. That's a given. If you're a beta tester, expect a bit of monitoring in most instances. And even after development, perhaps some monitoring may be present, but in this instance, the right thing to do would be to offer an off switch for those who do not wish to participate. But the only true off switch I've seen for 10 is to use a 3rd party app. And the latest actions, an almost panicked approach to pushing upgrades on those not wanting one, suggest something is afoot.

Interestingly, in the late 90's, Intel announced that it would fit it's chips with a Unique Identifier Number, making it easier for customers to interact with stores & verify their identities. Privacy advocates did not agree & pointed out that these UID's could be used to exploit or track peoples surfing habits. Bowing to public outcry's and threats of boycotts, Intel sacked the program. Two months after Intel's announcement, MS, perhaps also fearing repercussions, publicly announced that it would change the features on it's Win 98 OS, which was initially going to do the same thing that the Intel processors were to do.

Yes, at one point, MS did listen to people....
That was so Windows Sevenish times, prior to W8.x...

But I agree that it'll be interesting to see how W10 free giveaway plays out. The chances are that retrofitting previous versions of Windows and Office with "telemetry" will result in sufficient data mining and we'll have to pay for Windows 10 once the giveaway expires.
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28 Jan 2016   #35

Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 7601 Multiprocessor Free Service Pack 1

People are moving to Linux more than ever before , MS must know they are destroying any decent reputation they had with people.

There are a ton of people who are so angered they will never deal with them again out of pure spite , nobody to blame but themselves though , thats for sure.
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28 Jan 2016   #36
Microsoft MVP

Vista, Windows7, Mint Mate, Zorin, Windows 8

I keep hearing about that move to Linux. But do we actually have facts and numbers.
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29 Jan 2016   #37

Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 7601 Multiprocessor Free Service Pack 1

I wouldn't even know where to look for #'s , all i know is every forum i have been on people are outraged at Microsoft's behavior and Linux is what the majority say they plan on moving to if they haven't moved already .

Most comments i see are from people who have either moved to Linux , or are staying with 7 as long as possible and then jumping to Linux or Mac , thats when you will see mass migration.
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29 Jan 2016   #38

win 7 home premium 64 bit

Not to forget that geeks like us influence family, friends, and others....M$ annoying and angering us is also hurting them because word of mouth also applies to computers as well I didn't love Windows 8 but I still recommended it for consumers. For years I considered Microsoft the good will OS company because of things like their willingness to extend XP support for FREE to all users long after they could have stopped. Windows allowing many more customizations unlike OSX, now I would sadly agree that M$ has stupidly thrown away all the goodwill they had with many users, and it will cost them far more dearly in the long run.
Isn't Bill Gates still on the BoD he should have used his pull and voiced his concern about the direction the company has taken, I doubt he really agrees with what has been going on over the years since Windows 8 arrived on scene.
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29 Jan 2016   #39
Microsoft MVP

Vista, Windows7, Mint Mate, Zorin, Windows 8

They count on the fact that there are not really any serious alternatives. Most people are scared of Linux (without reason) and then there is not much more - maybe OSX if you want to pay a premium.
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29 Jan 2016   #40

Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 7601 Multiprocessor Free Service Pack 1

I don't think anybody "wants" to pay a premium but some probably will for a Mac , i agree Linux is scary at first , i use Mint along with Win 7 as i was told it's one of the easiest and similar to Windows so you have a feel for it more so than other distributions.

I was shocked just how many " comparing Linux to Win 10 " and "beginners guides to Linux" there are if you just google info on it.

Imo the word "Linux" sounds like you need to be an Einstein to figure it out , "Ubuntu" sounds overly complicated to me as well .

On the other hand getting past my screen saver to the log in screen is a major nightmare for me to deal with so i'm not the most qualified.
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