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  1. Posts : 503
    Windows 7 x64 SP1
       #190

    For someone who knows nothing about Linux, your best bet is probably Mint. Although Zorin would be a close second. They will both come with Libre Office, a full office suite which has everything MS office does. Drivers for most printers will not be a problem, most of the time it will find and configure your printer automatically. same for sound. Browser will be Firefox for mint (I think); Evolution for Zorin (which resembles Outlook, but you may need to configure it). Both are very reliable and well developed. download links are easily found on their home pages. Just remember to choose 64 bit (unless your computer is 32 bit). There should be good installation instructions available as well, either on the download page or the user forum. You will need to decide if you are keeping Windows, in which case you will either need to install Linux to a separate drive, or the same drive (dual-boot). The easiest of course is to install to the whole drive; you just accept all the defaults. But dual-booting on the same drive is pretty straightforward as well; there is an option to "install alongside Windows," which will put Linux on the same drive while leaving windows alone. You will then choose which OS to boot when you start up, from something called the Grub menu.
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  2. Posts : 199
    Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 64-bit (now looking at Linux Mint!)
       #191

    michael diemer said:
    For someone who knows nothing about Linux, your best bet is probably Mint. Although Zorin would be a close second. They will both come with Libre Office, a full office suite which has everything MS office does. Drivers for most printers will not be a problem, most of the time it will find and configure your printer automatically. same for sound. Browser will be Firefox for mint (I think); Evolution for Zorin (which resembles Outlook, but you may need to configure it). Both are very reliable and well developed. download links are easily found on their home pages. Just remember to choose 64 bit (unless your computer is 32 bit). There should be good installation instructions available as well, either on the download page or the user forum. You will need to decide if you are keeping Windows, in which case you will either need to install Linux to a separate drive, or the same drive (dual-boot). The easiest of course is to install to the whole drive; you just accept all the defaults. But dual-booting on the same drive is pretty straightforward as well; there is an option to "install alongside Windows," which will put Linux on the same drive while leaving windows alone. You will then choose which OS to boot when you start up, from something called the Grub menu.
    Thank you so much Michael for that comprehensive reply :)

    Another Linux 'noob' question if I may.

    I have two HDDs for my ageing VAIO - one has Win 7 HP SP1 and the other a cloned version of this drive that was then upgraded (just last week) to Win 10.

    I'm guessing that I could set up a dual boot installation on both with Linux Mint.

    On the Mint installation - does it give (if I understood your post correctly) an option to split the drive into a Windows partition and a Linux partition without affecting the contents of the Windows partition. I'll simply get the option as to which OS to boot into from a cold boot (similar to MacOS and Windows with Boot Camp)?

    You don't have a trusted link from which to download Mint??

    Zaph
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  3. Posts : 503
    Windows 7 x64 SP1
       #192

    Mint: Download - Linux Mint

    Zorin: Download - Zorin OS

    I would recommend the cinnamon desktop for Mint, unless your computer has problems because it is so old; then you want Mate or XFCE. You could actually try two different desktop versions, one for each hard drive. that way you could pick choose between them. most people prefer cinnamon; it's attractive and easy to navigate. Mate is the most basic and works great with older hardware. XFCE is in between, in terms of "lightness."

    You could also put Mint on one drive, Zorin on the other, and decide which of those two you like better. but I would recommend staying with just one for starters. You will have enough to learn on just one Linux OS, let alone two at once. So I would put Mint Cinnamon on one drive, and Mint Mate on the other. They will look a bit different, but both will be Mint. you can then see which works best. I would start with Cinnamon. If that works well you will probably just stay with it. Cinnamon is visually attractive if that is important. All three Mints resemble Windows, in that they all have a standard Start Menu at the lower left. and then a bottom panel (it will look way too small to Windows users, but you can change that. Linux is highly customizable).

    When you install, the installer will present you with a bunch of options. It will automatically detect windows, and the first option will be to install Mint along-side Windows. The installer will create the partitions it needs to install Mint, usually one large one for the OS, and a small 6 GB one called a Swap, which is for extra memory I believe. Other options will allow you to do the partitioning yourself, which I don't recommend for a newbie. Or to install mint on the entire drive, which will wipe out Windows. don't do this, obviously, if you plan to keep windows.

    In my first go with Linux, I installed Mint Mate, since my computer was an older desktop by Gateway, and I thought it might need a lighter system. It tuned out to be fine with cinnamon, however. I also tried XFCE and that turned out to be my favorite. but I gave up using mint several years ago. Since then I have used at least 15 different Linuxes, plus a couple BSD systems. Currently I have Zorin 15, Solus 4, Linux Lite and Watt OS. My favorite is Zorin, with Solus close behind. After you get your feet wet, you may want to "distro hop," but this can be addictive!

    One of the great things about Linux is, most distros allow you to test the system without installing it. You just download, burn the iso to a DVD or USB, start your computer from that, and you have a live version of the system. Not installed; you're running off the DVD/USB. This is also where you install from. there will be an icon on the desktop "Install Mint." That is where you begin the installation process.
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  4. Posts : 199
    Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 64-bit (now looking at Linux Mint!)
       #193

    Hi Michael,

    Once again, many thanks for the comprehensive reply.

    You have me slightly confused referring to 'Mate', 'XFCE', 'Cinnamon' and 'Zorin'.

    I was going to ask if you could run Linux from the installation disc (rather than installing it) but you answered that in your above post : ) I thought you could run it from disc but wasn't sure. I downloaded Unbuntu a long time ago (around 2007/8-ish) and played with it briefly. I believe that ran from disc as I don't recall installing it on a hard drive. I also downloaded (but never played with) Knoppix.

    I think I may open a new thread on the forum rather than hijack this one and continue the discussion there.

    You are welcome to PM me so that again, we aren't distracting from this thread - unless you think this discussion is appropriate to this end of Windows 7 discussion.

    BTW I found a reliable mirror site here in the UK: University of Kent UK Mirror Service

    Thanks once again,

    Zaph
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  5. Posts : 503
    Windows 7 x64 SP1
       #194

    Zaph, Mate, Cinnamon etc refer to desktop environments, Basically the graphical user interface. The look and feel. Some are very lightweight, like Mate, some are heavier like, cinnamon. The lighter ones are good for older hardware. But all are still mint, under the hood. You can also install alternative desktops, in addition to the one you installed, and choose which one to run at login. but I would avoid that right off the bat.

    As for the thread, if a moderator or the OP doesn't object, it shouldn't be a problem.
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  6. Posts : 1,851
    Windows 7 pro
       #195

    Which distro looks the most like 7 with the aero? I'm not really liking Cinnamon.
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  7. Posts : 26
    Windows-7 Ultimate 32bit
       #196

    "Which distro looks the most like 7 with the aero?"

    If that's what you want, your best bet would be the KDE desktop. It includes a theme that's very Windows-like (among others). You can get details about Linux over at Distro Watch.
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  8. Posts : 199
    Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 64-bit (now looking at Linux Mint!)
       #197

    Okay - Update.


    I'm writing this on the Firefox Quantum browser for Linux after putting the Linux Mint .iso DVD in the optical drive and booting from the disc.


    It appears that the desktop GUI is Xfce. Don't know if the other UIs are on the disc or whether I need to d/load another .iso image.


    EDIT #3: Found out that I need to download another image - e.g. this one for Mint Mate: http://www.mirrorservice.org/sites/w...mate-64bit.iso


    Tried printing to my WiFi printers (there are 3 on my network - 2 are upstairs where I am and handy, so I tried those first).


    Connected and printed test page to Samsung M2070W laser without a hitch.


    The Canon iSensys LBP7110Cw had such a confusing set of options and I couldn't get it to work.


    Tried running the 'Printing Troubleshooter' - still no joy.


    I may have to contact Canon UK to see if they can provide the relevant PPD file (or a link to it).


    EDIT #2: Printer Driver from Canon UK - i-SENSYS LBP7110Cw - Support - Download drivers, software and manuals - Canon UK

    I suspect that the driver is present but that the printer is called something else in the US which is why I'm not sure which driver to choose.


    Impressed with Linux so far - even if the version I am currently running is 'Vanilla'.


    Another question - I'm guessing that there is an equivalent to Seven Forums for Linux Mint?


    EDIT #2: Found one - Linux Mint Forums - Index page


    Thanks for all the help/advice so far.


    Zaph
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  9. Posts : 503
    Windows 7 x64 SP1
       #198

    Great work, Zaph! you've taken the first step. It is not unusual to encounter problems at first. People migrating from Windows to Linux somehow expect it to be perfect, while forgetting all the problems they had with windows!

    You should definitely join the mint forum (or any forum for the Linux you are using). you will get much better help there. This is, after a all, a windows forum. discussing Linux in general is definitely relevant on this forum, as W7 is coming to EOL soon. But once you get Linux up and running, you need much more specific help than would be appropriate on a Windows forum.

    I personally found Linux to be very liberating. It allows you to take control of your computer, instead of just being a passive recipient like microsoft wants you to be. Oh, and it's free! Although donations are always appreciated, and they don't have to be large.
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  10. Posts : 503
    Windows 7 x64 SP1
       #199

    townsbg said:
    Which distro looks the most like 7 with the aero? I'm not really liking Cinnamon.
    There are transparency themes available for Cinnamon. At least there were last time I used it.

    Re: KDE, I have used it on Manjaro as well as Ubuntu, but always had problems. It is certainly attractive, but I found updates not working right. I had to move on from both. In the long run, stability is more important than looks. I also loved the aero theme, but find I can do without it now.

    I'm pretty sure it's possible to put an aero-like theme on most Linuxes. You may have to search around to find them, and you may need help installing them.

    Zorin 15 with the dark theme (included) looks gorgeous. And Zorin's start menu is very Windows like. In general, I would say that Zorin may be best choice for those who want as close to a windows-like experience as possible.
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