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Windows 7: Windows 7 and Office 2010 End of Support

07 Sep 2019   #211
townsbg

Windows 7 pro 64-bit sp 1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Brds7t7 View Post
Also, when people mention that you can use workarounds to make 10 "look" like 7, they're focusing on the wrong issues for me. I could put red lipstick on a pig, it still wouldn't make me want to kiss it!
The look isn't the issue with Windows 10 imo. It has plenty of other things about it that I just don't like. Looks are the last thing I'm bothered about. I had no issue with the look of Windows '95,' 98, 2000, XP, 7 or 10 (okay 8.1 did annoy me a little at first, but I just stripped the metro stuff out, installed Classic Shell - problem solved!).
Yep. That wouldn't change the spyware, the forced broken updates, or the bloat. That only makes it look different.


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10 Sep 2019   #212
Tharthan

Windows 7 Home Premium (64-bit)
 
 

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Everyone needs to make their own choice about what's for them and not have it pushed down their throats
The problem is, people are so pigheaded about going with the flow (even if said flow is about to go off of a waterfall), that they deem anyone else who refuses to do what they do as "throwbacks".

We're the "Computer Amish", you see.

...Whatever that's supposed to mean.

We need to "get with the programme", or we'll be left in the dust.

Perhaps the dust that we will be left in will be more pleasant than the age that is swiftly approaching (we may have already entered it, somewhat)!
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10 Sep 2019   #213
Tharthan

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Linux will be an adjustment for me but one I can live with.
I used Lubuntu for about half of a year (perhaps longer. I can't remember), but to be quite frank with you: GNU/Linux feels quite cold and soul-lacking to me. Perhaps it is simply that the general community that makes GNU/Linux stuff doesn't care too much about that. I don't know. I wouldn't be surprised, though, as it has—up until more recent years—been largely a tech-based audience that uses it.

Please don't misunderstand me, though. I certainly don't begrudge people who use GNU/Linux. It is certainly an option for people. But it's not the one for me.

I'll only use it if I truly have no other choice. What I desire is an OS that feels friendly, not cold.
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10 Sep 2019   #214
RoWin7

Win 7 Ult 64-bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Tharthan View Post
The problem is, people are so pigheaded about going with the flow (even if said flow is about to go off of a waterfall), that they deem anyone else who refuses to do what they do as "throwbacks".

We're the "Computer Amish", you see.

...Whatever that's supposed to mean.

We need to "get with the programme", or we'll be left in the dust.

Perhaps the dust we will be left in will be more pleasant than the that age swiftly approaching (we may have already entered it, somewhat)!

We won't be left in the dust. The Amish get through life just fine, and don't care what other people think of them. They have everything they need.

The only important things are whether your computer performs the tasks you need, and that you don't spend more time tearing your hair out than being productive.
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10 Sep 2019   #215
michael diemer

Windows 7 x64 SP1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Tharthan View Post
I used Lubuntu for about half of a year (perhaps longer. I can't remember), but to be quite frank with you: GNU/Linux feels quite cold and soul-lacking to me. Perhaps it is simply that the general community that makes GNU/Linux stuff doesn't care too much about that. I don't know. I wouldn't be surprised, though, as it has—up until more recent years—been largely a tech-based audience that uses it.

Please don't misunderstand me, though. I certainly don't begrudge people who use GNU/Linux. It is certainly an option for people. But it's not the one for me.

I'll only use it if I truly have no choice. What I desire is an OS that feels friendly, not cold.
Lubuntu is a minimalist desktop env. You might want to explore some others. Debian offers a bunch of different DEs, as do many other linux distros. Personally, I feel that Zorin 15 is now the best choice for Windows 7 refugees. It has a DE very similar to W7, is beautiful and intuitive, and very stable. Why not give it a look? elementary OS is another very attractive distro, but is not very configurable. And the KDE DE, available on several distros, is flat out beautiful. But it is not the easiest to use. Zorin 15 hits the sweet spot, in my opinion, after using it now for several months.
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10 Sep 2019   #216
RoWin7

Win 7 Ult 64-bit
 
 

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I used Lubuntu for about half of a year (perhaps longer. I can't remember), but to be quite frank with you: GNU/Linux feels quite cold and soul-lacking to me....
Windows has soul? Is there something I missed?
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10 Sep 2019   #217
Tharthan

Windows 7 Home Premium (64-bit)
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by michael diemer View Post
Personally, I feel that Zorin 15 is now the best choice for Windows 7 refugees. It has a DE very similar to W7, is beautiful and intuitive, and very stable. Why not give it a look? [...] And the KDE DE, available on several distros, is flat out beautiful. But it is not the easiest to use. Zorin 15 hits the sweet spot, in my opinion, after using it now for several months.
They look good. KDE, if I recall, has that Paint application that looks extremely close to MS Paint. A very good application. But I also recall that KDE stuff has a whole lot of dependencies that can be somewhat miring sometimes.
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10 Sep 2019   #218
RoWin7

Win 7 Ult 64-bit
 
 

What's a DE? KDE?
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10 Sep 2019   #219
michael diemer

Windows 7 x64 SP1
 
 

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What's a DE? KDE?
Sorry! We Linuxers sometimes forget that people who have never tried it don't have any idea what we're talking about sometimes. a DE is simply a desktop environment, the look and feel of the operating system. Or the GUI if you prefer, but it goes very deep. KDE is one such desktop environment. It is the fullest, most robust one out there. You can for example easily install aero or glass themes with it, with only a click. But all the glitz comes at a price, which is that it is very complex. I don't recommend it for first-time Linux users. you want to be figuring out Linux, not con-figuring a desktop, when you first start out.

Ubuntu, Mint and others "distros" (more lingo, it just means a particular Linux OS) come in different "flavors." What this is means is simply that you can get them in different desktop environments. Thus: Kubuntu=Ubuntu KDE; Lubuntu=Ubuntu LXDE ; Xubuntu=Ubuntu XFCE. The flagship DE for Ubuntu is the Gnome DE. It doesn't have a traditional start menu; rather you have icons lined up along the side.

Mint also comes in different flavors. The flagship DE is Cinnamon, but you can get it in Mate and XFCE. Mate and XFCE are lighter DEs, good for older hardware. elemntary OS comes only in the flagship DE, which they invented, Pantheon. It resembles Apples's OSX in layout. If you just want a simple, efficient but still attractive system, which just works out of the box, which you can start using immediately (little learning curve), elementary is a good choice. but you will probably want to add some things, like an office suite, plus better browser and email.

As I said before, I feel that Zorin 15 offers the best look and feel of Windows 7, works well out of the box, and has a a minimal learning curve. I am not a fanboy; I have three other Linux systems on my computer. but I find I spend almost all my time on Zorin. It's attractive, stable and easy to use. Which is not to suggest you won't have problems. but then, you have problems with Windows, right? There is no perfect operating system. but chances are good that if you have good hardware, most Linux systems will work fine.
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4 Weeks Ago   #220
ZaphodB

Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 64-bit (now looking at Linux Mint!)
 
 

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I've always thought Windows 7 was a great OS from day one (or at least I did up until the last couple years, when they started pushing out garbage updates).
Me too. What has spoilt things regarding Win 7 for me are two issues.

(1) Occasionally you get a Windows Update which simply refuses to install, no matter what you try, until you delete the whole of the update catalogue on your machine (+ do other associated stuff before it will work) and

(2) The increasing number of 'Not Responding' messages I'm getting recently. A cold boot sorts these out but the thing is you shouldn't have to resort to this tactic.

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Brds7t7 View Post
Windows 10 I've never enjoyed using, it's a bloated mess imo, and doesn't offer me anything new other than useless features and forced cra**y updates.
I downloaded Windows 10 when it was originally offered for "free" on a machine that was running Windows 7 purely as a "Try before you Buy" (although it wouldn't actually cost anything).

I didn't like the Metro interface, didn't want half of the stuff on the start menu (such as games like Angry Birds or whatever carp it was) and the fact that a lot of stuff was buried. [Yes, I know that M$ love to mix it up by renaming things (e.g. "Add or Remove Programs" in XP to "Programs and Features" in W7) or moving things (e.g. "Wireless Network Setup" in XP to be included within "Network and Sharing Center" in W7) or simply getting rid of stuff altogether] - but that is M$ and something they tend to do with each new OS (just in case we didn't realise that we'd got a new OS).

We have it (Win 10) at school and phoning up the IT guys to say "How do I find my documents?", "Where is 'My Computer' " or "How do I log off the machine rather than shut it down?" does you street cred no favours, especially when others see you as Tech-savvy!

What really bugs me is that as a 'Home User' I have absolutely no control over the updates - whether I apply them or not and when I apply them. Several times I have turned that machine on only to find that it wanted to finalise an update and I couldn't use the machine for a period of time until it had finished.

That and the fact the the Metro interface is ghastly and it took a long time tweaking things to get it looking "reasonable".

A major update then put everything back again, so I had the arduous task of tweaking Win 10 all over again. Such fun!

I don't like the increasing number of ads that I am seeing in Windows 10 either!

The final thing about Windows 10 that I don't like is a nagging suspicion that at some time in the future, the users of the free upgrade will be told one of two things:

(1) that "After [insert date here], your copy of Windows will no longer work" and possibly that "You need to purchase a license" and/or

(2) "In order to continue using Windows, you will have to pay £xx per month subscription" (like Office 365).

I may be wrong on these points, but in all honesty, I can't see a reputable company like Micro$oft giving away a copy of the OS when it could equally well charge for it.

Zaph
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