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Windows 7: Microsoft Violated Patent: Cannot Sell Word

02 Jan 2010   #31
Qdos

 

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You could never be an engineer.

~Lordbob
lordbob, please keep off topic comments to yourself.
I think he was probably right, based on your own... err... views...


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02 Jan 2010   #32
Freddy K

Windows 7 Ultimate
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Qdos View Post
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You could never be an engineer.

~Lordbob
lordbob, please keep off topic comments to yourself.
I think he was probably right, based on your own... err... views...
There is nothing wrong with my VIEWS. Microsoft does have a long, long history of stealing borrowing technology, however like i said in all fairness so do a lot of companies.
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02 Jan 2010   #33
Klaw117

Windows 7 Home Premium x64
 
 

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lordbob, please keep off topic comments to yourself.
I think he was probably right, based on your own... err... views...
There is nothing wrong with my VIEWS. Microsoft does have a long, long history of stealing borrowing technology, however like i said in all fairness so do a lot of companies.
Give us some examples and maybe we'll tell you if you're right or not. As for Vista, the biggest thing I know of that many people say Microsoft copied is the Windows Sidebar. This is a HUGE misconception. Gadgets and the Sidebar were in development for Vista for a long time before the final release. The problem is that Microsoft showed off Vista and then took too long with development, allowing Linux distributors and Apple to copy the gadgets, name them widgets, add them to their OSes, and then sell them a few months before Microsoft sold Vista. Therefore, when Vista was released, many people accused Microsoft of copying widgets when in reality, Linux distributors and Apple copied gadgets from Vista and then sold their OSes before Microsoft sold Vista.

If you want to know where I got this info, my brother, a Microsoft employee, told me.
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02 Jan 2010   #34
Lordbob75

Windows 7 Ultimate x64, Mint 9
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Freddy K View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Qdos View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Freddy K View Post

lordbob, please keep off topic comments to yourself.
I think he was probably right, based on your own... err... views...
There is nothing wrong with my VIEWS. Microsoft does have a long, long history of stealing borrowing technology, however like i said in all fairness so do a lot of companies.
My comment was completely on topic, you just didn't get it.

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Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Freddy K View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Qdos View Post

I think he was probably right, based on your own... err... views...
There is nothing wrong with my VIEWS. Microsoft does have a long, long history of stealing borrowing technology, however like i said in all fairness so do a lot of companies.
Give us some examples and maybe we'll tell you if you're right or not. As for Vista, the biggest thing I know of that many people say Microsoft copied is the Windows Sidebar. This is a HUGE misconception. Gadgets and the Sidebar were in development for Vista for a long time before the final release. The problem is that Microsoft showed off Vista and then took too long with development, allowing Linux distributors and Apple to copy the gadgets, name them widgets, add them to their OSes, and then sell them a few months before Microsoft sold Vista. Therefore, when Vista was released, many people accused Microsoft of copying widgets when in reality, Linux distributors and Apple copied gadgets from Vista and then sold their OSes before Microsoft sold Vista.

If you want to know where I got this info, my brother, a Microsoft employee, told me.
You better watch out. He will be calling your brother a dirty liar here pretty soon.

~Lordbob
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04 Jan 2010   #35
Colonel Travis

Black Label 7 x64
 
 

[QUOTE=Klaw117;478185]
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Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Qdos View Post
There is nothing wrong with my VIEWS. Microsoft does have a long, long history of stealing borrowing technology, however like i said in all fairness so do a lot of companies.
Give us some examples and maybe we'll tell you if you're right or not.
1.) Windows is one of the biggest ripoffs in history. Apple lost the court case because a judge, in essence, said you can't own a copyright to an icon of a trash can, etc. But when Windows came out after Macs, you have to had been a total moron back then to not see where MS got its GUI inspiration. Even 7 has taken elements from OSX.
2.) MS lost a patent infringement case to Alcatel-Lucent a few years ago.
3.) MS settled out of court with Burst.com after Burst sued them a while back.
4.) MS was ordered by a federal court to pay damages to a company for ripping off some sort of DOS technology many years ago.
5.) IE has always been playing catch-up to other browsers.

These are the major ones I can think of. Then you've got MS opening retail stores that look kinda like, uh, Apple retail stores. Look, I'm as big a fan of 7 and Office as anyone else, but MS does have a history of borrowing and (gasp) stealing that goes back decades.
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05 Jan 2010   #36
jimbo45

Linux CENTOS 7 / various Windows OS'es and servers
 
 

Hi there
can you HONESTLY tell me that when you've gone to a new job that you've NEVER used an idea learned in your previous job.

Thank goodness somebody with a bit of marketing nous got Windows out -- otherwise Computers would still be highly expensive, closed proprietary systems with very restricted hardware.

Apart from the nice look of some of the hardware just look at restrictions Apple stuff has traditionally been protected with.

It was only competition that made Apple remove some of the DRM CRUD on its iTunes "service" -- now that's a misnomer if ever there was one. At one stage you weren't even allowed to play music you had PAID FOR on any device other than the original one it was downloaded to.

MS (like most businesses) isn't purer than the white driven snow -- but the VAST majority of people are far better off WITH MS than WITHOUT it to say nothing of the millions of people working directly (and indirectly) for it -- and don't forget the GATES FOUNDATION which does really good work and is the largest private distributor of charity on Earth.

Cheers

jimbo
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05 Jan 2010   #37
manhunter2826

Windows XP - Now Windows 7 Home Premium (64-bit).
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
Hi there
can you HONESTLY tell me that when you've gone to a new job that you've NEVER used an idea learned in your previous job.

Thank goodness somebody with a bit of marketing nous got Windows out -- otherwise Computers would still be highly expensive, closed proprietary systems with very restricted hardware.

Apart from the nice look of some of the hardware just look at restrictions Apple stuff has traditionally been protected with.

It was only competition that made Apple remove some of the DRM CRUD on its iTunes "service" -- now that's a misnomer if ever there was one. At one stage you weren't even allowed to play music you had PAID FOR on any device other than the original one it was downloaded to.

MS (like most businesses) isn't purer than the white driven snow -- but the VAST majority of people are far better off WITH MS than WITHOUT it to say nothing of the millions of people working directly (and indirectly) for it -- and don't forget the GATES FOUNDATION which does really good work and is the largest private distributor of charity on Earth.

Cheers

jimbo
Astute points jimbo and yes, Gates has been very generous with his wealth. I actually quite like the guy when I see the charitable work he's been doing in India with his wife.
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05 Jan 2010   #38
pparks1

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

I think it's completely reasonable to assume that technology companies are going to offer functionality similar to what some other company might be doing. I'm not entirely sure why people get so emotional over who took which features from who. I mean, we don't only have 1 brand of automobile...even though they all offer similar functionality. There are quite a number of similar features or technologies in various products offered by GM, Ford, Chrysler, Toyota, Hundai, Lotus, Porshce, Audi, etc.

People seem to lose perspective that over time, as technology evolves, people adapt to new ways of doing things...which in turn means that design changes are going to be necessary within your product or people are going to turn to alternative products. For example, as machines have become more powerful and video cards stronger, we now have desktops which offer transparencies, desktop widgets/gadgets, and even touch screen capabilities. So, I'm not shocked in the least that Microsoft, Apple and the Linux community have incorporated these things into their products. In fact, I would be shocked if they had not incorporated these changes.

What matters in the end, is which company has implemented that technology the best, making people the most product they can be for a price and licensing model that end-users can accept. And for me, while Apple makes nice products...the prices are so high it's not even a consideration. Maybe if I felt that Apple had implemented it so much better, or had a truly outstanding feature my response would be different...but I'm willing to accept the way that Microsoft and the Linux community has done it because it meets my budget. There is no doubt that if Apple really wanted to increase their marketshare, they could simply drop prices and increase marketshare....but as time has proven....this is not their goal.
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05 Jan 2010   #39
manhunter2826

Windows XP - Now Windows 7 Home Premium (64-bit).
 
 

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There is no doubt that if Apple really wanted to increase their marketshare, they could simply drop prices and increase marketshare....but as time has proven....this is not their goal.
True, and perhaps their share price makes up for it Lol
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05 Jan 2010   #40
Win7User512

Windows 7 x64 / Same
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
I think it's completely reasonable to assume that technology companies are going to offer functionality similar to what some other company might be doing. I'm not entirely sure why people get so emotional over who took which features from who. I mean, we don't only have 1 brand of automobile...even though they all offer similar functionality. There are quite a number of similar features or technologies in various products offered by GM, Ford, Chrysler, Toyota, Hundai, Lotus, Porshce, Audi, etc.
There are at least two possibilities for "similar functionality."

1. Stealing or copying

2. Independently created. For example, Newton and Leibniz with developing Calculus.

In this case regarding MS, the court found that MS had willfully violated a patent, not come up with some brilliant idea independent of the plaintiff.
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