Continuing the Fight Against Piracy.

thats exactly the point. for a large part media and software purchases are non refundable, unlike console games and dvd's you can't really even take your pc games and software to trade towards the purchase of another product once the packaging has been opened. i understand that this is largely due to piracy but it creates little incentive to do the right thing. now i personally like to know that i've earned the things i own, so i buy them, however without trying to justify it i do admit to occasionally pirating movies and music that i am unable to find otherwise, i'm not saying it's right that i do it, but when i can grab it as a torrent even though no retailer or online source i've checked can locate a copy i'm going to download it, if i see it for sell one day i'll gladly purchase it then. as for the movie thing well i feel if they gave refunds you'd have a lot of people abusing it, they could possibly offer something where if you walked out within the first half hour they would refund it but no, you shouldn't get to watch the entire movie and get the refund. really what needs to happen is the media company needs to offer a reasonable alternative to make a legal purchase. as it stands right now, most movies i buy are limited to the format i purchase them in. if i rip one of my dvd's as a backup or to add to a personal digital collection i'm in violation, but if i buy a digital copy from amazon download it and my hdd fails well i'm still out of my movie, thats not fair, i purchased it i should be able to view it in my home and on my devices as i please.

I could care less what any of you do and how you decide borrowing software is somehow OK...
I don't have to deal with your choices...only you can decide that...

But please don't insult my intelligence trying to justify the choices you make.

patio said:

I could care less what any of you do and how you decide borrowing software is somehow OK...
I don't have to deal with your choices...only you can decide that...

But please don't insult my intelligence trying to justify the choices you make.

it may not be a perfect scenario but until the media and software companies treat consumers like buyers instead of thieves we will each have our own way of making sure our money is well spent. i work hard for my money often putting my own life on the line. i chose my profession because i enjoy it and it's something i can be proud of. i'm okay with the fact that i dont have a limitless budget. i do believe that stealing is wrong, i just don't see that what i do testing a product before i buy it is wrong. i like to know exactly what i'm purchasing is going to fill my needs, if i test a product that does great i'll buy it, if not i'll find another. simple as that. i bought the full ps4 master collection because it had all the tools i needed and i found it easier to use than gimp or other freeware alternatives, i don't mind paying for a quality product, im just not ok with pissing the money i worked hard for away.

i don't support outright piracy, i don't think it's acceptable to download a movie before it hits the theaters just because i've been dying to see it. i buy all of my music even though i know my collection could be infinitely larger and free. i pay for the things i want just the same as i pay for my needs. any industry outside of software and media that adopted the practices and restrictions they put on their products would fail before they ever got off the ground. imagine buying a car from ford and being told you could only drive it within a certain area, or chicken from your local grocery store and being told you could only make a certain dish using it? would you buy those products, i think not. so why can a movie studio tell me that i can only play a movie i bought in my home dvd player, did you read that warning, yup those are only for private viewing in your home, meaning technically your not allowed to loan it to a friend, they have to buy their own, and if your dvd gets scratched you have to buy a new one because they said you can't make a copy? how is that fair, it doesn't have a warranty on it.

BWK said:

Uhhh...Ohhhh....
Here we go, where do you think it will go from here?
BBC News - Music file-sharer 'Oink' cleared of fraud

i think it's ridiculous, in the US a user can be fined up to $150000 per song. this guy helped people steal 21 million songs and walks way like nothing happened. now i've always said the fines were still, i personally feel like you should be charged $0.99 per illegal song and if it can be proven how many people you've shared that file with an additional $0.99 per upload, thats reasonable and fair according to itunes so the music industry must be okay with it. but if your gonna make a big show of busting the little people for downloading then when you get one of the sites owner and operators in your hand you don't just let them walk out of the door and pretend it didn't happen.

patio said:

I could care less what any of you do and how you decide borrowing software is somehow OK...
I don't have to deal with your choices...only you can decide that...

But please don't insult my intelligence trying to justify the choices you make.

Hi there
English please
could care less means I DO care
couldn't care less means I DON'T care which is what I assume you mean.

Please remember there are people on these Forums where English is NOT the first language and little things like this cause mega confusion over what your meaning is.

Anway its up to the musicians -- if the stuff is only released on Vinyl the problem will never arise --once it's digital then all bets are off as there is NO POWER ON THIS PLANET (or probably any other one either) that can prevent digital copies making their way around the net (or even old fashioned "Disk swapping").

Cheers
jimbo

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