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Windows 7: Continuing the Fight Against Piracy.

15 Jan 2010   #81
seekermeister

W7x64 Pro, SuSe 12.1/** W7 x64 Pro, XP MCE
 
 

Lens Pirate,

I do not consider "try before you buy" to be stealing, as long as it ends up in a purchase or removal of the software. One might term it borrowing, not stealing. Without an actual trial, acquiring software is a grab bag, once paid for there are usually no refunds. As far as I'm concerned, any software that doesn't permit a trial period should be illegal.


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15 Jan 2010   #82
madtownidiot

 

My laptop has a faster processor, faster memory, and a better gpu than a PS3 but with games like GTA 4 the graphics are crap.. I swear it's because of all the extra processes like safedisk and drm that kill the game. Maybe that's the real reason people download pirated games.. they perform better when you get rid of all the anti-pirating add-ons
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15 Jan 2010   #83
valtonray

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i'm not saying it's right that i got the disney movies for them, but if you could point me anywhere that currently has the vaulted collection available on dvd or as a digital download then she would be more than happy to purchase them. our father is a music producer we do understand how piracy affects the people that make a living off of the sells. but without a viable option to buy them legally there isn't much else to do. it's basically like if my dad put out an albulm for an artist with no distribution. sure the album exists but if it's not avaible for sale anywhere how else would you obtain it?
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15 Jan 2010   #84
pparks1

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

Yeah, I hate the way that Disney does their movies. Apparently they don't want people to own them since they are often not available for purchase.
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15 Jan 2010   #85
Lens Pirate

Win 7 64 Ultimate- Win 7 Home premium 64- XP- Adndroid 3.1 and 2.3 Ubantu- Vista Ultimate 64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by seekermeister View Post
Lens Pirate,

I do not consider "try before you buy" to be stealing, as long as it ends up in a purchase or removal of the software. One might term it borrowing, not stealing. Without an actual trial, acquiring software is a grab bag, once paid for there are usually no refunds. As far as I'm concerned, any software that doesn't permit a trial period should be illegal.
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by valtonray View Post
i'm not saying it's right that i got the disney movies for them, but if you could point me anywhere that currently has the vaulted collection available on dvd or as a digital download then she would be more than happy to purchase them. our father is a music producer we do understand how piracy affects the people that make a living off of the sells. but without a viable option to buy them legally there isn't much else to do. it's basically like if my dad put out an albulm for an artist with no distribution. sure the album exists but if it's not avaible for sale anywhere how else would you obtain it?
Seekermeister It does not matter that you think its ok to try before you buy or not. What matters is if the written copyrigyht agreement gives that ability or not.
If you are allowed to try before you buy then its ok. If it is not provided for by the owner of the copyrighted material then it is theft.

Valtonray, your view point seems to be that you are ultimately entitled to that Disney software because you want it, and Disney is compeled to provide you its use. If they don't then you can steal it? Disney is totaly with in thier rights to not sell thier software. Just because they are not interested in selling it to you does not invalidate thier intellectual property rights.

Doing with out is a viable option.
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15 Jan 2010   #86
seekermeister

W7x64 Pro, SuSe 12.1/** W7 x64 Pro, XP MCE
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Lens Pirate View Post
Seekermeister It does not matter that you think its ok to try before you buy or not. What matters is if the written copyrigyht agreement gives that ability or not.
If you are allowed to try before you buy then its ok. If it is not provided for by the owner of the copyrighted material then it is theft.
It doesn't matter to you what I think, but then what you think doesn't effect me either. This is not a forum about the law, it is a forum of computer users, and no law dictates what any of us must believe or say.
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15 Jan 2010   #87
Lens Pirate

Win 7 64 Ultimate- Win 7 Home premium 64- XP- Adndroid 3.1 and 2.3 Ubantu- Vista Ultimate 64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by seekermeister View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Lens Pirate View Post
Seekermeister It does not matter that you think its ok to try before you buy or not. What matters is if the written copyrigyht agreement gives that ability or not.
If you are allowed to try before you buy then its ok. If it is not provided for by the owner of the copyrighted material then it is theft.
It doesn't matter to you what I think, but then what you think doesn't effect me either. This is not a forum about the law, it is a forum of computer users, and no law dictates what any of us must believe or say.
Fine with me. If you really feel deep down inside your perceived entitlement to things trumps the rights of others to be secure in their property and that law has no place in a forum thread about piracy then reluctantly I have to agree with you.
We have so little in common that it will be pointless to talk. I would just ask you to please not steal from me, even if you think you are entitled. OK?
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15 Jan 2010   #88
seekermeister

W7x64 Pro, SuSe 12.1/** W7 x64 Pro, XP MCE
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Lens Pirate View Post
Fine with me. If you really feel deep down inside your perceived entitlement to things trumps the rights of others to be secure in their property and that law has no place in a forum thread about piracy then reluctantly I have to agree with you.
We have so little in common that it will be pointless to talk. I would just ask you to please not steal from me, even if you think you are entitled. OK?
Pointless? Perhaps, but if you don't want me to respond, then don't spin my statements. I said that the law doesn't dictate what we believe or say, but I didn't say that it had no bearing on what we do. However, even in this aspect, it does not dictate our actions, it only provides the means of punishment...if caught and convicted. By man's law, each person is responsible for their own actions, by God's law this extends to thoughts and speech, but no one on this forum is God. You may judge what is said, but your judgment shall be judged also.

From the tone of your post, it sounds as though you are a developer yourself, or is your comment about stealing from you just rhetorical?
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15 Jan 2010   #89
Lens Pirate

Win 7 64 Ultimate- Win 7 Home premium 64- XP- Adndroid 3.1 and 2.3 Ubantu- Vista Ultimate 64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by seekermeister View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Lens Pirate View Post
Fine with me. If you really feel deep down inside your perceived entitlement to things trumps the rights of others to be secure in their property and that law has no place in a forum thread about piracy then reluctantly I have to agree with you.
We have so little in common that it will be pointless to talk. I would just ask you to please not steal from me, even if you think you are entitled. OK?
Pointless? Perhaps, but if you don't want me to respond, then don't spin my statements. I said that the law doesn't dictate what we believe or say, but I didn't say that it had no bearing on what we do. However, even in this aspect, it does not dictate our actions, it only provides the means of punishment...if caught and convicted. By man's law, each person is responsible for their own actions, by God's law this extends to thoughts and speech, but no one on this forum is God. You may judge what is said, but your judgment shall be judged also.

From the tone of your post, it sounds as though you are a developer yourself, or is your comment about stealing from you just rhetorical?
It was rhetorical. But more importantly, I had no idea you were religous and would appeal to Myth as part of your arguement. Man's law indeed. I withdraw, discretion being the better part of valor.
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15 Jan 2010   #90
seekermeister

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Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Lens Pirate View Post
It was rhetorical. But more importantly, I had no idea you were religous and would appeal to Myth as part of your arguement. Man's law indeed. I withdraw, discretion being the better part of valor.
My beliefs "mythological" or not, have nothing to do with the core of my statements. This inclusion was merely an extension of the discussion to it's ultimate boundaries. As I have no desire to change the subject matter of this thread, I shall join you in a withdrawal.
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