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Windows 7: Murdoch: illegal downloading is like stealing a handbag

15 Mar 2010   #21
jr26

Win7 Ultimate x64
 
 

I'm not saying its right or wrong to pirate but here's my thoughts. Note that NONE of these are excuses to pirate. This pertains to software.

1. Start making a better finished product.
To many games get released 80% finished then just left un-supported by its developers.

2. Lower the prices some.
$60 for a game is very much over priced.

3. Release demos for people to try the product out.
NFS Shift was one of the most pirated games of last year. A huge chunk of it was because people wanted to try it out before they bought it(and also to see if their systems could even run it). But EA didn't even announce a demo until a bit after the game was out. Was already to late.

4. Copy Protection.
Many pirate the games because of extreme/intrusive copy protection that is completely un-needed. What's the point when they can just download the game instead? Any and every protection can and will get cracked. Keep it simple. All your doing is hurting your paying customers and giving the crackers 5 more minutes of work.

There's some more but that's all I can think of off the top of my head.


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15 Mar 2010   #22
Kari

 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Product FRED View Post
Pirating doesn't make you a bad person. There are legitimate reasons to pirate, or...pseudo-pirate. Apple, for example, doesn't allow you to test out Appstore apps. Google, on the other hand, has a 24-hour return policy for applications. As long as you delete them, you get your money back. How else would you know what you're paying for? The industry is taking measures, but these measures don't work and just end up hurting honest consumers. Pirates have no problem cutting through DRM.
I wholeheartedly, honestly detest that argument.

Sincerely, Kari
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15 Mar 2010   #23
Bootz

Vista Business x64
 
 

As far as games go, all the money is in mmo's now. Just look at Blizzard, they bring in over 2billion a year just off WoW alone.
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15 Mar 2010   #24
Thorsen

Win7 Home Premium 64x
 
 

WoW is a great example of making a game less piratable. everything is stored server-side and you need an authenticated CD Key to play. And the cost per month is a great revenue stream and allows upkeep of dedicated servers.
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15 Mar 2010   #25
Product FRED

Windows 7 Enterprise 64-bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Kari View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Product FRED View Post
Pirating doesn't make you a bad person. There are legitimate reasons to pirate, or...pseudo-pirate. Apple, for example, doesn't allow you to test out Appstore apps. Google, on the other hand, has a 24-hour return policy for applications. As long as you delete them, you get your money back. How else would you know what you're paying for? The industry is taking measures, but these measures don't work and just end up hurting honest consumers. Pirates have no problem cutting through DRM.
I wholeheartedly, honestly detest that argument.

Sincerely, Kari
By that I meant to test out the application and decide whether or not you want to buy it. I'm not justifying piracy altogether.
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15 Mar 2010   #26
antharr

Windows 7 64x
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Bootz View Post
As far as games go, all the money is in mmo's now. Just look at Blizzard, they bring in over 2billion a year just off WoW alone.

That is a great point but you can't forget the income Microsoft brings in through Live as well. You can argue that piracy is hurting Microsoft but I have to counter argue. Most gamers want to play online and to do that, you have to process an original copy of the game. Playing online with a modified console will get you banned or at least the console.
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15 Mar 2010   #27
Dark Nova Gamer

Windows 7 Ultimate, OS X 10.7, Ubuntu 11.04
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Kari View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Product FRED View Post
Pirating doesn't make you a bad person. There are legitimate reasons to pirate, or...pseudo-pirate. Apple, for example, doesn't allow you to test out Appstore apps. Google, on the other hand, has a 24-hour return policy for applications. As long as you delete them, you get your money back. How else would you know what you're paying for? The industry is taking measures, but these measures don't work and just end up hurting honest consumers. Pirates have no problem cutting through DRM.
I wholeheartedly, honestly detest that argument.

Sincerely, Kari
You may detest the argument, but I agree with it. Apple aside, not everyone can afford to buy every application they want. Sometimes the free alternatives do not meet their needs either. I wonder how many GFX Team members here that use Photoshop actually purchased it.
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15 Mar 2010   #28
Thorsen

Win7 Home Premium 64x
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by antharr View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Bootz View Post
As far as games go, all the money is in mmo's now. Just look at Blizzard, they bring in over 2billion a year just off WoW alone.

That is a great point but you can't forget the income Microsoft brings in through Live as well. You can argue that piracy is hurting Microsoft but I have to counter argue. Most gamers want to play online and to do that, you have to process an original copy of the game. Playing online with a modified console will get you banned.
Over 1 million people were banned last year in this exact manner.
1 Million Xbox Live Players Banned -- InformationWeek
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15 Mar 2010   #29
antharr

Windows 7 64x
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by DarkNovaGamer View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Kari View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Product FRED View Post
Pirating doesn't make you a bad person. There are legitimate reasons to pirate, or...pseudo-pirate. Apple, for example, doesn't allow you to test out Appstore apps. Google, on the other hand, has a 24-hour return policy for applications. As long as you delete them, you get your money back. How else would you know what you're paying for? The industry is taking measures, but these measures don't work and just end up hurting honest consumers. Pirates have no problem cutting through DRM.
I wholeheartedly, honestly detest that argument.

Sincerely, Kari
You may detest the argument, but I agree with it. Apple aside, not everyone can afford to buy every application they want. Sometimes the free alternatives do not meet their needs either. I wonder how many GFX Team members here that use Photoshop actually purchased it.
That is another great point. If you stopped the pirating of Photoshop, how many people would buy it at it's whopping price. I think they would settle for something like Gimp instead. What do you do then........go after all open source software for infringing on copyrights?
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15 Mar 2010   #30
Kari

 

Steven, just to be sure I did not misunderstand: You agree that there are legitimate reasons for piracy?
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