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Windows 7: Murdoch: illegal downloading is like stealing a handbag

15 Mar 2010   #31
Dark Nova Gamer

Windows 7 Ultimate, OS X 10.7, Ubuntu 11.04
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Kari View Post
Steven, just to be sure I did not misunderstand: You agree that there are legitimate reasons for piracy?
I suppose I am. Although your opinion and my opinion will differ no matter what is said here.


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15 Mar 2010   #32
Product FRED

Windows 7 Enterprise 64-bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Kari View Post
Steven, just to be sure I did not misunderstand: You agree that there are legitimate reasons for piracy?
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in accordance with the laws of reasoning; logically inferable; logical: a legitimate conclusion.
Yes. I said pseudo-pirate, and I also explained my reasoning. DarkNovaGamer is right, the industry actually benefits from piracy in one way or another. It's free marketing. People would turn to free alternatives if nobody pirated. Like I said before, I played a pirated copy of Half-Life 2 when it came out in 2004, and ended up buying it and 5 other Valve games on Steam. Honest people can pirate too, it doesn't necessarily make you a criminal, ethically. Some people are savvy buyers and just want to know what they're spending their money on. Isn't it fair that you can test-drive a car before you buy it? So why not software? Time and labor went into both, and buying a car costs you more than buying a piece of software. Do you get what I mean?
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15 Mar 2010   #33
Kari

 

Free world, everybody is entitled to an opinion. I just wanted to be sure I understood

Kari
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15 Mar 2010   #34
Dark Nova Gamer

Windows 7 Ultimate, OS X 10.7, Ubuntu 11.04
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Kari View Post
Free world, everybody is entitled to an opinion. I just wanted to be sure I understood

Kari
Fair enough, just didn't want a all-out-war to break out.
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15 Mar 2010   #35
pebbly

win 7 ultimate32bit, Win8.1pro wmc 32bit
 
 

there aint no such thing as a victimless crime
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15 Mar 2010   #36
Kari

 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Product FRED View Post
Isn't it fair that you can test-drive a car before you buy it? So why not software? Time and labor went into both, and buying a car costs you more than buying a piece of software. Do you get what I mean?
How long should this test period be to work for us consumers, to be fair? Windows 7 RC was for instance freely available over half a year for consumers to test, RTM is still available to test (Windows Enterprise 90 day trial), but still it's widely cracked and used illegally, so obliviously several months is not long enough test period.
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15 Mar 2010   #37
smsff7

Windows 7 Pro X64
 
 

We all have our opinions on Ileagle downloading, but to say it is the same as stealing a handbag or a car is just a joke IMO. Stealing a item means your taking it away from somebody else so you get it at the cost of somebody else. Downloading is just copying a bunch of 1's and 0's which means it is not getting taken from somebody who paid for it (aka a store or a person)

If you want to look at it the way Murdoch is then anybody who records a tv show or movie on HBO or showtime with there Tivo or equivalent is a criminal.
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15 Mar 2010   #38
Product FRED

Windows 7 Enterprise 64-bit
 
 

It's still better than not being able to test it at all. You can blame that on the industry, not the consumers. Our only interest is ensuring that our money is going to good use. Also, digital data can be infinitely copied, so it can't really be marked down as a loss.
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15 Mar 2010   #39
CarlTR6

Windows 7 Ultimate 32 bit
 
 

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Pirating doesn't make you a bad person. There are legitimate reasons to pirate, or...pseudo-pirate. Apple, for example, doesn't allow you to test out Appstore apps. Google, on the other hand, has a 24-hour return policy for applications. As long as you delete them, you get your money back. How else would you know what you're paying for? The industry is taking measures, but these measures don't work and just end up hurting honest consumers. Pirates have no problem cutting through DRM.
I wholeheartedly, honestly detest that argument.

Sincerely, Kari
You may detest the argument, but I agree with it. Apple aside, not everyone can afford to buy every application they want. Sometimes the free alternatives do not meet their needs either. I wonder how many GFX Team members here that use Photoshop actually purchased it.
I happen to like Porches. I cannot afford a new 911. According this logic, that makes it OK to go steal one? Well, I choose to drive a Ford truck that I can afford (it is paid for).
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15 Mar 2010   #40
Product FRED

Windows 7 Enterprise 64-bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by CarlTR6 View Post
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I wholeheartedly, honestly detest that argument.

Sincerely, Kari
You may detest the argument, but I agree with it. Apple aside, not everyone can afford to buy every application they want. Sometimes the free alternatives do not meet their needs either. I wonder how many GFX Team members here that use Photoshop actually purchased it.
I happen to like Porches. I cannot afford a new 911. According this logic, that makes it OK to go steal one? Well, I choose to drive a Ford truck that I can afford (it is paid for).
I also said:

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Product FRED
It's still better than not being able to test it at all. You can blame that on the industry, not the consumers. Our only interest is ensuring that our money is going to good use. Also, digital data can be infinitely copied, so it can't really be marked down as a loss.
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