Murdoch: illegal downloading is like stealing a handbag

CarlTR6 said:

DarkNovaGamer said:

Kari said:

I wholeheartedly, honestly detest that argument.

Sincerely, Kari

You may detest the argument, but I agree with it. Apple aside, not everyone can afford to buy every application they want. Sometimes the free alternatives do not meet their needs either. I wonder how many GFX Team members here that use Photoshop actually purchased it.

I happen to like Porches. I cannot afford a new 911. According this logic, that makes it OK to go steal one? Well, I choose to drive a Ford truck that I can afford (it is paid for).

Despite what others may think. Pirating a bit of software (which isn't a physical object might I add) IS different from stealing a Porche. Lets not try to make me look bad just because I'm defending my opinion.

DarkNovaGamer said:

Despite what others may think. Pirating a bit of software (which isn't a physical object might I add) IS different from stealing a Porche. Lets not try to make me look bad just because I'm defending my opinion.

I totally agree with you. And I'm going to shave down this quote box because it's getting too big. Anyways, data is not a physical commodity. Different principles apply for different situations. Example? You have less rights inside a school than you do outside of one. If you're interested: New Jersey v. T. L. O. - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

aw Carl you beat me to it. I was going to post a Stealing a Porche analogy...no really that was my first thought lol

Edit: why a porche I dont know, where's Freud when you need him?

DarkNovaGamer said:

Despite what others may think. Pirating a bit of software (which isn't a physical object might I add) IS different from stealing a Porche. Lets not try to make me look bad just because I'm defending my opinion.

Product FRED said:

I totally agree with you. And I'm going to shave down this quote box because it's getting too big. Anyways, data is not a physical commodity. Different principles apply for different situations. Example? You have less rights inside a school than you do outside of one. If you're interested: New Jersey v. T. L. O. - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Pirating is stealing, period. The software/music/video is for sale. The owner/creator/artist did not give permission for someone to use the software/music/video for free. If one pirates it, one is stealing.

Fred, you have less rights in the military than you do as a civilian. I do not understand what you are trying to say and how that corresponds to piracy.

I almost put Mercedes in reference to Janice Joplin! But I have owned a Porsche and wish I still did.

CarlTR6 said:

DarkNovaGamer said:

Despite what others may think. Pirating a bit of software (which isn't a physical object might I add) IS different from stealing a Porche. Lets not try to make me look bad just because I'm defending my opinion.

Product FRED said:

I totally agree with you. And I'm going to shave down this quote box because it's getting too big. Anyways, data is not a physical commodity. Different principles apply for different situations. Example? You have less rights inside a school than you do outside of one. If you're interested: New Jersey v. T. L. O. - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Pirating is stealing, period. The software/music/video is for sale. The owner/creator/artist did not give permission for someone to use the software/music/video for free. If one pirates it, one is stealing.

Fred, you have less rights in the military than you do as a civilian. I do not understand what you are trying to say and how that corresponds to piracy.

I was not saying it wasn't stealing. I'm pointing out its less severe then lets say me going to the local Ford dealership and stealing the best car there. Comparing stealing a piece of software, and stealing a car is not really as accurate as you may think.

We could sit here and argue all day but all we'd be doing is wasting each others time.

^^ 100% agreed.

jimbo45 said:

Slightly OT -- but for news you can use the BBC website for FREE and its probably better and more informed than any of the Murdoch stuff.

With regard to piracy -- I don't advocate it -- but like all these things there's ALWAYS a BUT.

Say I buy a DVD --to play on a Laptop --which IS designed for travelling.

Now I visit the USA quite regularly -- so why do I have to have the stupid regional encoding on a DVD (Reg 1 in the USA, 2 in Europe) which means that I can't play a DVD on the laptop if I buy a DVD while in the USA.

Of course I'll turn to "alternative sources" who've copied the DVD and made it Region 0 or Region Free.

A lot of the music / film people have shot themselves in the foot with their paranoia over copy protection. - In any case the tighter they say the algorithm is the more challenge it is for people to break it -- even though some of these hackers actually don't want to make money out of it - they are doing this just because they think they CAN do it.

On the bad side it encourages full scale commercial piracy - the profits of which go to enforce some of the more depraving activities of people's human nature.

Whilst not eliminating piracy in total a huge amount could be got rid of at a stroke by eliminating a lot of the unnecessary restrictions which plague digital entertainment.

After all Open Source software hasn't killed commercially developed software either - so opening up music / film products won't necessarily mean big losses for the producers -- sensibly priced products without huge playing restrictions will probably net them more profits than by continuing with the present policy of trying to police everything that moves.

Some digital music providers have actually discovered by allowing UNCOMPRESSED music format DRM free makes them MORE money than the old model ever did -- pity the "big players" can't see this too.

They've only themselves to blame -- and in any technological fight the "individual hackers" will always WIN over big corporations with their large management structures who can't change plans mid flight or get new hardware without going through endless management "strategy" and "planning" meetings -- the problem they are trying to solve will be obsolete even before it has finished the design stage.

Cheers

jimbo

Hallelujah.