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Windows 7: Pirates Given Sentence

17 Apr 2009   #71
Espair

Windows 7, RTM x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by FreakyFerret View Post
(NOTE: I talk about the law in the USA because I am unaware of laws in other areas.)

Stealing is a definition of law. Law varies from political area to political area. For instance, during an emergency, in the USA it is not illegal to take food and other necessaties from retail shops. One can legally break into a store and take some food and drink without being considered a thief or criminal. Such actions occurred during the devastation of New Orleans from the breaking of the levy by hurrican Katrina. Doing this at any time other than emergency is considered theft and prosecutable.

The law in the USA at the moment states you cannot redistribute copyrighted material without permission of the copyright holder. Doing so may not be theft, but it is a criminal act and it is punishable by fines and jail time. This includes making a copy of a cassette tape and giving it to a friend, making a copy of a video tape or DVD and giving it to a friend, and yes, file sharing. It is not illegal to download or receive copyrighted goods though. This type of legislation was enacted decades ago to prevent rental stores from buy one copy of a movie, making multiple copies, then renting out each copy. They didn't want to target the consumer who would most likely be unaware of the illegal activity. They wanted to target the store owner and other groups of people doing it. Most video media even have a little legal warning at the beginning of the tape or DVD to point this out.

File sharing by its nature involves receiving and retransmitting received copyrighted material, so it tends to draw fire for that part. If one downloads a file using a peer-to-peer type of system, they are redistributing the product. If they just download it from a website or usenet or other system which is one way, they are actually not technically breaking the law.

Sharing of copyrighted material, or pirating as it's been called, is illegal in the USA. One's justification does not change the law. One's intent does not change the law. The law is only concerned with the act and nothing else. It is not at this time theft though, by the definition of law.

Piracy became equated with theft a couple of decades ago when copyright owners could point to actual losses due to lowered sales and other financial gains caused by the act of piracy. In today's world, such losses are harder to prove if they exist at all. Because of the attention given to copyright violation, most industries have a standard practice of ensuring compliance with these laws -- so much so some companies have personnel dedicated to only this act. For noncommercial uses, such as the average home user, there are some reports pointing to an increase in revenue for copyright holder due to the marketing or attention file sharing has given their products. Some bands noticed increase in brand recognition and sales afte releasing a few select songs on the internet with public domain copyrights. It is this marketing value and recognition which initially inspired the creation of DRM systems. Many companies realized they were ignoring and actually attacking a revenue venue they had never previously utilized.

Additionally I think all of us here can agree the pirating of Windows 7 (up to this point) has given many people a chance to test and abuse it. Since it is such a great product, I would argue the pirating of Windows 7 has actually caused the product to gain in support and favor which will ultimately lead to it being purchased quicker and in larger quantity than its predecessors. This would be one definite example of file sharing providing substantial financial gains to a product. Once it's released though we'll see how much purchase versus pirate activity occurs, and the arguement may swing in the other direction.

So, file sharing is not theft. It may not even be damaging the financial status or copyrighted materials but actually bolstering them. Nevertheless in the USA it is still an illegal act and as such does make people who share copyright files criminals. As someone else pointed out previously though, smoking in a nonsmoking area, or walking on public grass clearly labeled with a sign prohibiting it or driving above the speed limit makes one a criminal. There's a reason the USA has different classes of crimes: misdemeanors and felonies. And even different classifications of felonies.

Personally I would like to see copyright holders protected from abuses and financial losses, whether they are a large corporation or an invidual. I believe in the valuing of individual intellectual property and firmly believe people who create such properties deserve to have their efforts financial rewarded. I do also recognize depending on the product file sharing can cause financial loss but it can also provide financial gain. It's a matter of personal judgement and action as is the case with so many things.

As much fun as this discussion has been, if you'll excuse me, I have to go see if the latest build of Windows 7 has finished in Shareaza yet.
Very nice insight, thanks for spending the time to post it!


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17 Apr 2009   #72
wmacdona

Windows 7 x64 7000
 
 

It is time for strict laws to ban torrent file sharing.
Time for ISP's to permanently shutdown users who participate.
Take away their Internet access.
Their illegal activity is costing everybody who is honest and obeys copyright law.
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17 Apr 2009   #73
RST101

Windows 7 Ultimate x64.
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by wmacdona View Post
It is time for strict laws to ban torrent file sharing.
Time for ISP's to permanently shutdown users who participate.
Take away their Internet access.
Their illegal activity is costing everybody who is honest and obeys copyright law.
If you have got any children it's them I feel sorry for. Loosen your shirt collars, take off your tie and flip your shoes in the corner I'll makes a nice cuppa P.G to help bring the blood pressure down a notch or two.
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17 Apr 2009   #74
wmacdona

Windows 7 x64 7000
 
 

If you have got any children it's them I feel sorry for. Loosen your shirt collars, take off your tie and flip your shoes in the corner I'll makes a nice cuppa P.G to help bring the blood pressure down a notch or two

Well I dont feel sorry for people who participate in illegal criminal activities.
Keep making excuses and justifications for the widespread criminality.
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17 Apr 2009   #75
mxosder16

Windows 7 Ultimate x86
 
 

Quote:
It is not illegal to download or receive copyrighted goods though.
do you have a link to the law that says this?
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17 Apr 2009   #76
damoh

Windows 7 RTM x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by wmacdona View Post
It is time for strict laws to ban torrent file sharing.
Time for ISP's to permanently shutdown users who participate.
Take away their Internet access.
Their illegal activity is costing everybody who is honest and obeys copyright law.

Seriously mate, your comments i find are really negative. We, myself included are only having an open discussion. Your responses are allways the same. THIEF THIEF THIEF. You are entitled to your opinion. This is the way it should be. However you come with nothing new to add to this topic. you call us *me* a thief yet you cannot resonably back up what your saying. I feel it is you who is hiding behind the thin veil of the internet, not us. Myself, and others did not have to say that we have downloaded. I admitted it, you make me sound like i routinly search sites for films etc... to download. If my children want to watch a film, do you really think i make them watch a cam of monsters vs aliens? Or do i treat them to the cinema. After all its there enjoyment that matters not mine. Side note. I thought Monsters vs aliens rocked *cough*
Please if you cannot constructivly add to this allready contiversial topic then please dont just reply shouting thief thief thief. That gets no attention and only draws heat towards you. I stand by my previous posts, you have no right to judge me (us) and you certainly cannot stand on some moral high ground looking down on us. You show me someone who has not done somthing illegal and i will bare my arse in woolies window.

And if you think for one minute ISP's are going to kick people of there service.... Think again. Because they will not loose money. Its not there fight, believe me bud one of my family works for a huge ISP. You dont think they dont know whats going on? Otherwise why release 50m BB. LOL's its all about the money, they dont care what you do with it. They will send you a letter only cos they have too.

Now, im off to choose what colour the wood is going to be for me and Mr Grims ship. SAVVY!!
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17 Apr 2009   #77
Espair

Windows 7, RTM x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by wmacdona View Post
It is time for strict laws to ban torrent file sharing.
Time for ISP's to permanently shutdown users who participate.
Take away their Internet access.
Their illegal activity is costing everybody who is honest and obeys copyright law.
Wow, i honestly dont know how to respond to this. Its not the pirates who are " costing everybody who is honest and obeys copyright law." Its people who take extremes like this that do that.

Setting port filters? Bandwidth limits? These are the kinds of things that they have tried. And who backs these underhanded methods up that effect more honest and law abiding people? People who go to the extremes and take action against the whole to get to the few.

I could make any number of examples about how wrong doing this is, but i think saying it in itself is enough.
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17 Apr 2009   #78
RST101

Windows 7 Ultimate x64.
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by damoh View Post
Seriously mate, your comments i find are really negative. We, myself included are only having an open discussion. Your responses are allways the same. THIEF THIEF THIEF. You are entitled to your opinion. This is the way it should be. However you come with nothing new to add to this topic. you call us *me* a thief yet you cannot resonably back up what your saying. I feel it is you who is hiding behind the thin veil of the internet, not us. Myself, and others did not have to say that we have downloaded. I admitted it, you make me sound like i routinly search sites for films etc... to download. If my children want to watch a film, do you really think i make them watch a cam of monsters vs aliens? Or do i treat them to the cinema. After all its there enjoyment that matters not mine. Side note. I thought Monsters vs aliens rocked *cough*
Please if you cannot constructivly add to this allready contiversial topic then please dont just reply shouting thief thief thief. That gets no attention and only draws heat towards you. I stand by my previous posts, you have no right to judge me (us) and you certainly cannot stand on some moral high ground looking down on us. You show me someone who has not done somthing illegal and i will bare my arse in woolies window.

And if you think for one minute ISP's are going to kick people of there service.... Think again. Because they will not loose money. Its not there fight, believe me bud one of my family works for a huge ISP. You dont think they dont know whats going on? Otherwise why release 50m BB. LOL's its all about the money, they dont care what you do with it. They will send you a letter only cos they have too.

Now, im off to choose what colour the wood is going to be for me and Mr Grims ship. SAVVY!!
Excellent damoh. Well said. I was thinking the same thing not long ago. +1 Why would you release 50 meg connection like you say. It aint so you get your e-mail very fast.

By the way woolies has shut down it'll have to be burtons
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17 Apr 2009   #79
damoh

Windows 7 RTM x64
 
 

I bet keep running!! There out to get me!!! Wheres grim!?!?!


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17 Apr 2009   #80
Dinesh

Windows® 8 Pro (64-bit)
 
 

guys let's have a look at countries like china and india. They live on piracy. Because we don't have dollars as our currency. And purchasing a legal copy of vista ultimate is equal to run a home with 6 people for whole month.
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