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Windows 7: Why are 74% of business computers still running XP

13 Jul 2010   #21
McSeven

W7 Prof 64 bit
 
 

Well WXP runs very well. So why spend thousands of dollars for W7.


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13 Jul 2010   #22
pparks1

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by McSeven View Post
Well WXP runs very well. So why spend thousands of dollars for W7.
Exactly, coupled with user training and applications that may or may not run properly....there is very little advantage to upgrading for many businesses.
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13 Jul 2010   #23
JonM33

Windows 7 Home Premium x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Win7User512 View Post
You speak from limited experience. To base your blanket conclusion on "poor programming" is absurd.
Woah, 12 years working in IT is not limited, buddy. I'm not a programmer but I have been through numerous OS migrations from desktops to servers/domains. I have seen Windows XP last far longer than any OS purely because developers write applications for it. The same goes for website applications. People write them specifically for IE or use specific, older versions of Java, etc.

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by McSeven View Post
Well WXP runs very well. So why spend thousands of dollars for W7.
Better functionality, control, security and support? Take a guess at how many Group Policy additions were made between Windows XP and Windows 7. For a system admin and IT support perspective? That's a dream come true.
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14 Jul 2010   #24
Win7User512

Windows 7 x64 / Same
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by JonM33 View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Win7User512 View Post
You speak from limited experience. To base your blanket conclusion on "poor programming" is absurd.
Woah, 12 years working in IT is not limited, buddy. I'm not a programmer but I have been through numerous OS migrations from desktops to servers/domains. I have seen Windows XP last far longer than any OS purely because developers write applications for it. The same goes for website applications. People write them specifically for IE or use specific, older versions of Java, etc.
With all due respect, experience can be considered limited when talking about a subject you are not intimately involved (in this case programming). Kinda like me telling Stephen Hawking about the universe. I love physics, but I (and most people) am not on his level.

I've tried to have a spirited debate without coming off disrespectfully. I hope I have succeeded.

I do understand your position and in many cases it is true, but not in all. That was simply my point. You can write code with the best practices in the world but once the technology stops supporting it, you must rewrite/find another solution.

Cheers!
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14 Jul 2010   #25
DrWho

Windows XP-Pro-SP3, Windows 7
 
 

Experience? Not blowing my own horn, but if you don't know DOS you don't have a knowledge base for which every other OS has been built on. Talk about a viable OS that has outlasted everything else.......
MS still silently supports it, by putting DOS capability into every OS it writes, including Windows 7.

I built my first PC back in ~1980 (YUP, that's 30 years ago) and installed DOS 2.0 on it.
I bought every upgrade to DOS up till DOS 6.22 and then made the jump to Windows 95. But even with all the upgrades to Windows, I still do a lot with DOS.
Even when running Win-7, I still rely heavily on DOS for simple everyday jobs.
Like my own cleanup.bat program that runs from my Startup folder on ever boot, to clean out all the temp files and other assorted junk from the day before.
That prevents Garbage Overflow. I install that little batch file for every one of my customers, to help keep their PC's clean and running more efficiently. It's like getting FREE Maid Service for your PC.

So if we have to pin a long-life medal on some OS, it most certainly has to be MSDOS.

I hope y'all accept this thought in the joyful manner in which I present it.

Y'all have a great day now, Y'hear?

The Doctor
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14 Jul 2010   #26
Borg 386

Win 7 32 Home Premium, Win 7 64 Pro, Win 8.1, Win 10
 
 

I agree with the explanation given by most people here, money.

If the system is still working good and fulfills the needs, businesses don't want to pony up the $$$$$$.

Times are tough....
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14 Jul 2010   #27
Topi

Windows 7 Home Premium x64
 
 

One reason besides money is probably that many think "Why fix something that isn't broken?" That's why companies don't have a valid reason to move to something new and take time to learn it all.

And there is also Windows 8 coming. If Windows 8 comes out between 2012-2014, companies can skip Windows 7 and go straight to Windows 8. That saves money, then they have skipped 2 operating systems and saved money on the way.

But in my opinion now or at least when SP1 comes out is the time to ditch XP and go for Windows 7, but still I understand why many won't do that.
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14 Jul 2010   #28
Win7User512

Windows 7 x64 / Same
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by DrWho View Post
Experience? Not blowing my own horn, but if you don't know DOS you don't have a knowledge base for which every other OS has been built on. Talk about a viable OS that has outlasted everything else.......
MS still silently supports it, by putting DOS capability into every OS it writes, including Windows 7.

I built my first PC back in ~1980 (YUP, that's 30 years ago) and installed DOS 2.0 on it.
I bought every upgrade to DOS up till DOS 6.22 and then made the jump to Windows 95. But even with all the upgrades to Windows, I still do a lot with DOS.
Even when running Win-7, I still rely heavily on DOS for simple everyday jobs.
Like my own cleanup.bat program that runs from my Startup folder on ever boot, to clean out all the temp files and other assorted junk from the day before.
That prevents Garbage Overflow. I install that little batch file for every one of my customers, to help keep their PC's clean and running more efficiently. It's like getting FREE Maid Service for your PC.

So if we have to pin a long-life medal on some OS, it most certainly has to be MSDOS.
Do you think the "Disk Cleanup" from a drive properties dialog is as good as your prog?

I've always wondered about how good that thing is.
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14 Jul 2010   #29
CarlTR6

Windows 7 Ultimate 32 bit
 
 

Quote:
So if we have to pin a long-life medal on some OS, it most certainly has to be MSDOS.
Hear! Hear! Very well said. Having learned MSDOS pretty thoroughly in the day still comes in handy.
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14 Jul 2010   #30
JonM33

Windows 7 Home Premium x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Win7User512 View Post
With all due respect, experience can be considered limited when talking about a subject you are not intimately involved (in this case programming). Kinda like me telling Stephen Hawking about the universe. I love physics, but I (and most people) am not on his level.

I've tried to have a spirited debate without coming off disrespectfully. I hope I have succeeded.

I do understand your position and in many cases it is true, but not in all. That was simply my point. You can write code with the best practices in the world but once the technology stops supporting it, you must rewrite/find another solution.

Cheers!
I would agree that I have no experience as a developer. At most I have copied and pasted code for PHP portals and that's about it. You should target your statement next time instead of assuming that I have limited experience. That is a general statement and quite untrue.

I'm speaking of the side of technical support and system administration. I have had to work with developers to figure out why their software won't work under a heavily restricted environment.

I have worked under situations where Group Policy was too restrictive on Windows XP workstations. The developer fix? Bypass that and give the user's local admin rights. That's not a fix, that's a flaw in their ability to program the software correctly.

When trying to run the software on Windows Vista? It refused to work at all through UAC. That had to be disabled and (of course) the user given local admin rights.

That's lazy programming right there. Of course that was in-house. I have also worked for a company that strictly used vendors for software. They would go to the vendor to try to figure out why the software wouldn't work with Windows 7 or IE8. The vendor's answer? We only support Windows XP.

In my book, that's poor programming.
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