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Windows 7: Russia has MS sourcecode

16 Jul 2010   #41
BomberAF

Windows 7
 
 

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I don't know if anyone here remembers the Commodore 64 computer. But back in the day there were whole clubs (mostly kids) dedicated to copying and sharing Copyrighted software.
I was never part of any 'club' but the C-64 certainly did introduce me to 'freeware'...



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Все коде являются принадлежат нам.
Wasn't as bad as the Commodore Amiga!


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16 Jul 2010   #42
BomberAF

Windows 7
 
 

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Don't know why everybody is so shocked, how hard can it be for a very tech savvy organisation with a huge resource to actually reverse engineer MS products to get the source code? Hackers and virus writers do it all the time and that is why Linux users will tell you that MS products are so full of malware.

Do you also think as well that the PC's that are used at NASA, The pentagon MI5 etc. will use a normal MS OS? I don't think they would, I think they will use their own bespoke OS's.

EDIT: And to also add to this, hasn't the EU as well as USA courts ordered MS to release it's source code to it's competators so they can write software for their own use?
No, not "normal," but probably highly customized version of Windows. Not only that but between their sophisticated networking and they encrypt just about everything, they stay fairly secure. Most if their breaches are from people losing stuff that is decrypted.

Occasionally someone will bring in viruses and unintended consequences.

For example, the fellow that brought the USB disk that was infected. They lifted the ban this year:

DailyTech - Pentagon Lifts Ban on Thumb Drives, Adds a Few Caveats

In the UK we have had all kinds of MP's and senior civil servants losing laptops and un encrypted USB keys on trains, taxis, and bench's. The data was everything from the home address of every single prison inmate in the UK to Royal Navy new Recruit details to NHS details and Driving Licence details.

But back to the point, how difficult can it be for an organistion like the Russian government to reverse engineer MS products to get source code?

And for the record don't ALL governments has trojans and the like that are completely undectable by Firewalls, and as such special measures need to be taken? I seem to remember this issue comming up when China was accused of espionage about 6 years ago when they apparently had been infecting western government PC's with these maliciouse programs?
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16 Jul 2010   #43
Win7User512

Windows 7 x64 / Same
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by BomberAF View Post

But back to the point, how difficult can it be for an organistion like the Russian government to reverse engineer MS products to get source code?
Can't say for sure, outside of a disassembler or decompiler. They have done pretty well thus far. Most of any source that gets out they either share parts with other companies/gov'ts, or leaks.

I can't point to an instance where someone reverse-engineered Windows source.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reverse...ng_of_software
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16 Jul 2010   #44
BomberAF

Windows 7
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Win7User512 View Post
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But back to the point, how difficult can it be for an organistion like the Russian government to reverse engineer MS products to get source code?
Can't say for sure, outside of a disassembler or decompiler. They have done pretty well thus far. Most of any source that gets out they either share parts with other companies/gov'ts, or leaks.

I can't point to an instance where someone reverse-engineered Windows source.

Reverse engineering - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

But it would not be unreasonable to presume that the Russians already have their own un official self obtained source code, and all the source code that MS has given them has done has just crossed the T's so to speak.
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16 Jul 2010   #45
Win7User512

Windows 7 x64 / Same
 
 

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But back to the point, how difficult can it be for an organistion like the Russian government to reverse engineer MS products to get source code?
Can't say for sure, outside of a disassembler or decompiler. They have done pretty well thus far. Most of any source that gets out they either share parts with other companies/gov'ts, or leaks.

I can't point to an instance where someone reverse-engineered Windows source.

Reverse engineering - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

But it would not be unreasonable to presume that the Russians already have their own un official self obtained source code, and all the source code that MS has given them has done has just crossed the T's so to speak.
It's possible. I suppose it wouldn't be a bad strategy if they were looking to launch a massive attack on the US, given that Windows is a 90%+ marketshare product.

Congress is in the process of giving Obama the internet kill switch, so maybe they know something we don't.
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16 Jul 2010   #46
BomberAF

Windows 7
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Win7User512 View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by BomberAF View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Win7User512 View Post

Can't say for sure, outside of a disassembler or decompiler. They have done pretty well thus far. Most of any source that gets out they either share parts with other companies/gov'ts, or leaks.

I can't point to an instance where someone reverse-engineered Windows source.

Reverse engineering - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

But it would not be unreasonable to presume that the Russians already have their own un official self obtained source code, and all the source code that MS has given them has done has just crossed the T's so to speak.
It's possible. I suppose it wouldn't be a bad strategy if they were looking to launch a massive attack on the US, given that Windows is a 90%+ marketshare product.

Congress is in the process of giving Obama the internet kill switch, so maybe they know something we don't.

Is there an internet kill switch, and if so why doesn't he already have control of it, or are they creating one? And how much of the internet would they actually kill, I presume quite a large amount of it seeming as most of the worlds serves are located in the US.

Think this has been the cause of much international debate hasn't it, because the US gorvernment hold all the keys with regards to the web, and by that I mean they decide without input from anyone else what the standards are going to be.
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16 Jul 2010   #47
Win7User512

Windows 7 x64 / Same
 
 

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But it would not be unreasonable to presume that the Russians already have their own un official self obtained source code, and all the source code that MS has given them has done has just crossed the T's so to speak.
It's possible. I suppose it wouldn't be a bad strategy if they were looking to launch a massive attack on the US, given that Windows is a 90%+ marketshare product.

Congress is in the process of giving Obama the internet kill switch, so maybe they know something we don't.

Is there an internet kill switch, and if so why doesn't he already have control of it, or are they creating one? And how much of the internet would they actually kill, I presume quite a large amount of it seeming as most of the worlds serves are located in the US.

Think this has been the cause of much international debate hasn't it, because the US gorvernment hold all the keys with regards to the web, and by that I mean they decide without input from anyone else what the standards are going to be.
Read it and weep. I know I did.

Obama 'Internet kill switch' plan approved by US Senate panel - Techworld.com
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16 Jul 2010   #48
Layback Bear

Windows 7 Pro. 64/SP-1
 
 

Very simple to me. There use to be a U.S.S.R and a K.G.B. Now we have a Russia and a renamed K.G.B. Putin at one time was the head of the K.G.B. How could one think a name change of there security agency would stop the way they do business. Sharing source code is also simple to me. If M/S wants to sell operating systems to various countries they have to share source codes. Reason being before they buy the operating systems and put them one the various agencies computers they want to make sure there is no code in there that might allow others to monitor what they are doing. If the U.S.A government doesn't have this agreement with M/S they should.
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16 Jul 2010   #49
CarlTR6

Windows 7 Ultimate 32 bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by BomberAF View Post
Don't know why everybody is so shocked, how hard can it be for a very tech savvy organisation with a huge resource to actually reverse engineer MS products to get the source code? Hackers and virus writers do it all the time and that is why Linux users will tell you that MS products are so full of malware.
Though it may have happened, I do not know of one case where the core code of any MS product has been reverse engineered.

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Do you also think as well that the PC's that are used at NASA, The pentagon MI5 etc. will use a normal MS OS? I don't think they would, I think they will use their own bespoke OS's.
I am sure they use a contracted, special OS.

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EDIT: And to also add to this, hasn't the EU as well as USA courts ordered MS to release it's source code to it's competators so they can write software for their own use?
No court has ordered MS to reveal their core code. MS does have to make it possible for software to written for use on Windows OS's. MS does this and it is to their benefit to do so.
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17 Jul 2010   #50
DrWho

Windows XP-Pro-SP3, Windows 7
 
 

Bootz said, "Have you ever heard of the cold war? It wasn't really that long ago...

You think Russia doesn't spy anymore? What country doesn't have its spies and spy tactics?"


Does anyone read the newspapers or watch the news on TV?
Who did we trade all those Russian spys for? That's right, US spys!!!!
Who would have thunk it?

Anyone who thinks the Cold War is really over is leading a fools existence.

I think that the one post using the word "immigrants" actually should have read "Illegal Immigrants". That might have been more correct and less inflammatory.
Lets face it....everyone in the US except the American Indians are all immigrants, if not in this generation, then in some past generation.
I'm proud of my ancestors and where they came from and the trials and tribulations they went through so I might be here today.

But, Russia and China, are both bastions of software piracy. It "ain't purty", but it's still a fact of life. Denying it won't make it go away.

Y'all have a great day now!

The Doctor
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