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Windows 7: Possible budget gaming PC build?

05 Dec 2010   #71
parabellum

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

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A Phenom 965 is $167 and a decent mobo - Gigabyte 870A-UD3 - is $121 if you want to save more.
But they are AMD, correct?

I will probably be using Iintel.
Yes, and the system in my specs is nearly identical. I know you'll save money and have plenty of performance left over.


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05 Dec 2010   #72
Fumz

7 Ultimate x64
 
 

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Which will be better with overclocking: 5850 or 6850
I don't know about that one. I stopped OC'ing video cards a long time ago. I would imagine they're both about the same as far as headroom goes, but I could be wrong? In any event, you should make your choice based on your games because clearly, the results are all over the place... get what's going to work best on what you play. I would also heed smarteyeball's advice and wait for the better cards/vendors if at all possible.

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... Slower then 10% is irrelevant. You really think you'll notice 43FPS vs 46FPS? I doubt it.
My point isn't about the card's performance, per se, it's that you're blowing a bunch of sunshine up the OP's keister with all your misleading posts. Let's dispense with the "up is down, slower = outclassing" stuff, and don't get bothered when someone posts a more fact based opinion: it's a good card, but it's got its limitations. Just be straight up and we're good.
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05 Dec 2010   #73
parabellum

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Fumz View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by ratman View Post
Which will be better with overclocking: 5850 or 6850
I don't know about that one. I stopped OC'ing video cards a long time ago. I would imagine they're both about the same as far as headroom goes, but I could be wrong? In any event, you should make your choice based on your games because clearly, the results are all over the place... get what's going to work best on what you play. I would also heed smarteyeball's advice and wait for the better cards/vendors if at all possible.

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by parabellum View Post
... Slower then 10% is irrelevant. You really think you'll notice 43FPS vs 46FPS? I doubt it.
My point isn't about the card's performance, per se, it's that you're blowing a bunch of sunshine up the OP's keister with all your misleading posts. Let's dispense with the "up is down, slower = outclassing" stuff, and don't get bothered when someone posts a more fact based opinion: it's a good card, but it's got its limitations. Just be straight up and we're good.
Sunshine? I know its limitations but it holds its ground over the 5870 - cheaper, better tess performance and it isn't that much slower.
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05 Dec 2010   #74
Fumz

7 Ultimate x64
 
 

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Sunshine? I know its limitations but it holds its ground under the 5870 - cheaper, better tess performance and it isn't that much slower.
Fixed.
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05 Dec 2010   #75
parabellum

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

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Sunshine? I know its limitations but it holds its ground under the 5870 - cheaper, better tess performance and it isn't that much slower.
Fixed.
I'll concede that we'll agree to disagree.
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05 Dec 2010   #76
Wishmaster

Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit
 
 

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Wishmaster, are you talking about Intel's Nehalem archictecture vs AMD's? There really is no noticeable difference between an Athlon quad vs an Intel quad at 1080p:

PassMark Intel vs AMD CPU Benchmarks - High End

Even tested with only a CPU benchmark a few hundred point difference is minimal. Both are native quad's and both have high enough clocks for games. Given the price difference, the Athlon isn't that bad.

No, I was refering to CPUs in general. AMD and Intel alike.
The raw clock speed doesn't mean much.

If you see a 3.0 Ghz CPU for example, it may actually be slower than a 2.5 Ghz of a different architechture.

So,faster doesn't always mean better.
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05 Dec 2010   #77
smarteyeball

 
 

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LOL I totally ignored the fact that he lived in Australia, my bad .

Getting back on topic, I found this GIGABYTE Radeon HD 6870 for just under $280 on the web site he posted on one of his posts, here:

Gigabyte ATI AMD HD6870 1Gb for $278 @ NetPlus - Cheapest Computers - Perth Western Australia
That's cool mate. Being a fellow Aussie - I'm used to to playing the 'limited availability game'. Some juggling and extra sourcing is a regular event

I linked that same cheaper Giga card that you did, but it wasn't currently in stock.


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EDIT: BTW what's with the 5870 vs 6870 comparisons?

The 6870 wasn't released to replace the 5870.
True. The 6870 currently sits somewhere between the 5850/5870 performance wise. Spec wise the 5870 is the superior card, but the advantage will end up going towards the 6870. (Driver focus, crossfire scaling blah blah)



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Ok, I do have an MSY close by me. I had a look and they seem to do a better deal for the motherboard. With the money saved by going for MSY on the MOBO I can get a sapphire 6870 from netplus.
Make sure you ring / e-mail MSY beforehand to see if they have the board in stock, or at least an eta when they do.

Sapphire has a good rep card wise. So did Giga's. Giga's also have a good Australian RMA process. (localised HQ = quicker turnaround)


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But, what do you mean by the price difference between giga and sapphire is questionable? Is that good or bad?
Bad in the fact that some e-tailers like to list an 'out of stock' item at a much lower price and then they jack the price up when it does actually become available.


I don't want you to order an out of stock card and have them ask for extra money when it's actually in stock.

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In the end, this is it. Should that be alright?

Intel Core i5 760 CPU $211.00
Gigabyte GA-P55-USB3 $125.00
2 x 2Gb DDR3 1333 Corsair Memory $56.00
Sapphire ATI AMD HD6870 1Gb $319.00
1000Gb 1Tb Seagate SATA2 32Mb $63.00
Benq Black 24X SATA DVD Writer $34.00
ANTEC TRUEPOWER NEW 650W $145.00
Antec VSK-2000 ATX Black $69.00
Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit DVD OEM $108.00
Yep

It will do the job plus there is room to tweak and improve.

But just to annoy you more with a little nitpicking, do you envision yourself ever crossfiring down the track?

If yes, a beefier PSU would be preferable. If not - it's perfectly fine.


Hard drive: If you can get a Samsung 1TB F3 for the same price, grab the Samsung. There is flap all difference, but the Samsung does have a miniscule edge.



@ parabellum

No-one is knocking AMD, or saying they are bad - but the OP has stated a preference for an intel based system.

That is what we have been helping him with
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05 Dec 2010   #78
TechnoMan

Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit
 
 

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Ok, I do have an MSY close by me. ?
The one in Balcatta or Cannington? The Balcatta one just strikes me as a boganish type of place
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05 Dec 2010   #79
ratman

Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit OEM
 
 

Either one that is closer and has stock.

To answer smarteyeball, no i probably won't be doing crossfire stuff until wayyyyyy down the track, so it would be easier to just get the minimum until later.
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05 Dec 2010   #80
Golden
Microsoft MVP

Windows 7 Ult. x64
 
 

Chaps,

Sorry to butt in on the post, but was wondering what your experience are with SATA HDD's? I've always used Western Digital WD10EARS 1TB but have found issues with at least 3. I was thinking of trying Samsung next...what are your thoughts?

I get my gear from www.allneeds.com.au ... perhaps they just went through a bad patch?

Golden
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