So what's the word on upgrading to Haswell???

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       #21

    Well time will tell, and if the chip(s) have major heating issues, their be a recall or whatnot. Let not forget this issue popped up with the initial Sandy Bridge chips and was quickly resolved.

    Bottom line things happen, but I'm sure they'll get resolved if need be. Anyway by the time I'm ready to purchase the jury will be out, and I'll then know which way to go.
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       #22

    Well, for the record, with Ivy Bridge it is not so much the thermal paste instead of solder, but the glue they use to hold down the heat spreader. It is very thick and keeps the IHS from making contact with the die. That said, the heat with Ivy Bridge is really no problem unless you are running stress tests. It gets real hot then, but in normal usage it is no hotter than Sandy Bridge. I have both, and my Ivy Bridge has never gone over 55 in gaming or anything else other than Prime95. Now, Prime95 will get it really up there.
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    sygnus21 said:
    Well time will tell, and if the chip(s) have major heating issues, their be a recall or whatnot. Let not forget this issue popped up with the initial Sandy Bridge chips and was quickly resolved...
    Sandy or Ivy?
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    essenbe said:
    Well, for the record, with Ivy Bridge it is not so much the thermal paste instead of solder, but the glue they use to hold down the heat spreader. It is very thick and keeps the IHS from making contact with the die. That said, the heat with Ivy Bridge is really no problem unless you are running stress tests. It gets real hot then, but in normal usage it is no hotter than Sandy Bridge. I have both, and my Ivy Bridge has never gone over 55 in gaming or anything else other than Prime95. Now, Prime95 will get it really up there.
    This is 100% correct. Sandy Bridge was such a great OC'er because you could just pour on the voltage and the CPU didn't care. Ivy Bridge was still a great OC'er but you had to keep an eye on things because the chip reacted to voltage changes with more heat output than Sandy Bridge. I thought Intel would go back to the SB IHS configuration for Haswell, but it probably cost them an extra half of a cent so they decided against it.
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    Well, for the record, with Ivy Bridge it is not so much the thermal paste instead of solder, but the glue they use to hold down the heat spreader. Yes Steve and using what solder?? it brings back memories of working with the stuff many years ago during my plumbing days and early electronics and the problem with lead particularly.
    Now I know solder has changed over the years but I still have it in my mind that to use it one requires a flux - or used to and that caused as much damage as the application of the heat to combine the two surfaces - down the track of course. The new solder still use different metals which I find a tad concerning because if not just for the disposal problem. I did also notice one reference that some solder 'compounds" are known to dissolve gold. Now form my limited knowledge of physics gold is usually only able to be dissolved by some VERY nasty and toxic materials.

    Sandy or Ivy? Well for the record my Sandy boots and runs a tad faster than Ivy does - shes a bit of a slouch:)
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    Lady Fitzgerald said:
    sygnus21 said:
    Well time will tell, and if the chip(s) have major heating issues, their be a recall or whatnot. Let not forget this issue popped up with the initial Sandy Bridge chips and was quickly resolved...
    Sandy or Ivy?
    I thought it was Sandy, it could have been Ivy. If I'm wrong let me know, I've no problem there :)

    Thanks.
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    It was Sandy, but the problem was the boards. Unless you're talking about something I'm not aware of. They had to recall all of the P67 boards, that's where the B3 version came from. B3 means fixed, why I have no idea.
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    It was something to do with a set of the Intel SATA ports if I remember correctly.
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    essenbe said:
    It was Sandy, but the problem was the boards. Unless you're talking about something I'm not aware of. They had to recall all of the P67 boards, that's where the B3 version came from. B3 means fixed, why I have no idea.
    kbrady1979 said:
    It was something to do with a set of the Intel SATA ports if I remember correctly.
    Well there was the SATA issue with the motherboard, but the was also the issue of the chips overheating as well. Perhaps I have my time frames mixed.

    Anyway it's a moot point since both those issues were ultimately resolved.
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    sygnus21 said:
    essenbe said:
    It was Sandy, but the problem was the boards. Unless you're talking about something I'm not aware of. They had to recall all of the P67 boards, that's where the B3 version came from. B3 means fixed, why I have no idea.
    kbrady1979 said:
    It was something to do with a set of the Intel SATA ports if I remember correctly.
    Well there was the SATA issue with the motherboard, but the was also the issue of the chips overheating as well. Perhaps I have my time frames mixed.

    Anyway it's a moot point since both those issues were ultimately resolved.
    True
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