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I am watching a legit review on Haswell and I'm thinking i'll keep my current set up for a while

Watching this video these guys explains the chip throttles sucks at overclocking and also gets hotter then my AMD chip :sarc:

Kind of disappointing
 

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I'm not regretting not waiting for Haswell. Even though, it has enough PCI-e lanes to meet my needs now that up to ten SATA III ports are available, none of th4 boards I've looked at have them allocated in a way that's usable to me.
 

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As I said in our PM's a while back mate, the Haswells are dodgy for overclocking, you might get lucky but a large percentage were not even hitting above 4.2GHz without stupid volts and temps.
I remember seeing people getting them on another forum just after they had been released, they were not happy.

If you really want to switch to Intel and get some good overclocks then you would be better off with Ivy.
 

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You pretty much have to delid the Haswells to get truly decent overclocks without cooking the little buggers. I'm not interested in overclocking—I prefer long life over a bit more speed—but the shortage of usable PCI-e slots are what really kills it for me.
 

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This was an article I posted on here a while back - http://www.bit-tech.net/news/hardware/2013/06/06/haswell-heat/1


I found this bit interesting -

"One manufacturer claims that pre-release chips marked as 3.5GHz parts were tested completely stably at 4.8GHz, but of the 40-50 retail units the company has tested not a single one has managed to reach above 4.2GHz without hitting unsafe temperatures or requiring too-high levels of voltage. Another firm has stated that it has had to drop plans to offer pre-overclocked Haswell systems running at 4.5GHz - a figure, again, planned based on engineering work carried out on pre-production samples provided by Intel - to 4.3GHz in order to ensure stability. 'There is a big difference in the overclocking potential between early Haswell samples and retail,' the unnamed manufacturer claimed."
 

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I read several places where people were buying 3, 4, 5+ Haswell CPU's, testing them and maybe getting 1 out of the lot that was in the top 30% of what is expected. JJ from Asus said he had 3 or 4 and one of them could hit 4.8GHz on water safely. I think you have to be extremely lucky to get a decent overclocker, not to mention a damn good overclocker. Ivy Bridge is still a great platform and has more processing power @ stock speeds than most people will ever need.
 

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I read several places where people were buying 3, 4, 5+ Haswell CPU's, testing them and maybe getting 1 out of the lot that was in the top 30% of what is expected. JJ from Asus said he had 3 or 4 and one of them could hit 4.8GHz on water safely. I think you have to be extremely lucky to get a decent overclocker, not to mention a damn good overclocker. Ivy Bridge is still a great platform and has more processing power @ stock speeds than most people will ever need.
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Madness eh Kelly, buying a load of chips to maybe get 1 that can do 4.8 lol
 

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If I hadn't already spent so much for my Sandy Bridge-e, I'd be seriously lusting for the Ivy Bridge-e coming out soon. Rumor has it that the IHS will be soldered on them, unlike the Ivys and the Haswells.
 

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If I hadn't already spent so much for my Sandy Bridge-e, I'd be seriously lusting for the Ivy Bridge-e coming out soon. Rumor has it that the IHS will be soldered on them, unlike the Ivys and the Haswells.
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I read that too. I'll be interested in seeing what IB-E can do!
 

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If I hadn't already spent so much for my Sandy Bridge-e, I'd be seriously lusting for the Ivy Bridge-e coming out soon. Rumor has it that the IHS will be soldered on them, unlike the Ivys and the Haswells.
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I will be a happy guy if that rumor is true Lady Fitz, I am hoping this will be my next build but of course nothing will happen if they turn out to be below expectations.
I always like to leave it a month or so after release to see what people think of them too.
 

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I read several places where people were buying 3, 4, 5+ Haswell CPU's, testing them and maybe getting 1 out of the lot that was in the top 30% of what is expected. JJ from Asus said he had 3 or 4 and one of them could hit 4.8GHz on water safely. I think you have to be extremely lucky to get a decent overclocker, not to mention a damn good overclocker. Ivy Bridge is still a great platform and has more processing power @ stock speeds than most people will ever need.
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Madness eh Kelly, buying a load of chips to maybe get 1 that can do 4.8 lol
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Yeah, the first wave of Haswell CPU's are generally regarded as a disappointment. I don't know if they will get better over time or if it's a characteristic of the architecture/manufacturing process.
 

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I have a real problem with having to de-lid to get temps under control and this is what I may be faced with my Ivy rig. How do you short cut the thermal solution on the chips.....you build in throttling ! Wrong Intel..... but I guess the PC and us rig building nuts are going the way of the dinosaurs into the world of hand held devices....kicking and screaming !

Someone see it differently?
 

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"One manufacturer claims that pre-release chips marked as 3.5GHz parts were tested completely stably at 4.8GHz, but of the 40-50 retail units the company has tested not a single one has managed to reach above 4.2GHz without hitting unsafe temperatures or requiring too-high levels of voltage. Another firm has stated that it has had to drop plans to offer pre-overclocked Haswell systems running at 4.5GHz - a figure, again, planned based on engineering work carried out on pre-production samples provided by Intel - to 4.3GHz in order to ensure stability. 'There is a big difference in the overclocking potential between early Haswell samples and retail,' the unnamed manufacturer claimed."
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Tek Syndicate covered that and the sad part it Throttles on prime cinebench but doesn't while gaming and Logan also said it's Hotter then Hell

If I do go Intel it probably would be last Generation now Intel gets to hear it because they might be better in some cases but I don't want my house to burn down over it
 
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kbrady1979 said:
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I read several places where people were buying 3, 4, 5+ Haswell CPU's, testing them and maybe getting 1 out of the lot that was in the top 30% of what is expected. JJ from Asus said he had 3 or 4 and one of them could hit 4.8GHz on water safely. I think you have to be extremely lucky to get a decent overclocker, not to mention a damn good overclocker. Ivy Bridge is still a great platform and has more processing power @ stock speeds than most people will ever need.
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Madness eh Kelly, buying a load of chips to maybe get 1 that can do 4.8 lol
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Yeah, the first wave of Haswell CPU's are generally regarded as a disappointment. I don't know if they will get better over time or if it's a characteristic of the architecture/manufacturing process.
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Honestly this is going to tank Intel if they keep making Super heated chips I mean the power saving is fine but in reality what are you saving ?

Let me clear up what I mean by tank don't want to rile everyone up :p I mean slowly if this keeps going on people are going to turn to AMD even though it isn't performing like people hope

you know if the guys on Tek Syndicate tells you it's hotter then AMD then holly cow Batman that is not good I was so gung ho now im like mouth open jaw dropped :zip:
 

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Haswell has thermal barrier issues. It is fine, you bump the multiplier up or voltage up until you hit the limit of the chip and then BAM, it just goes berserk. No rhyme or reason, but the chips just have a very thin line that up to the line they are fine, but just on the other side, they go nuts. Like I said earlier, it may be early production issues with the actual FAB process. Ivy Bridge CPU's definitely got better after they got the process down and had a few million chips under their belt.
 

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Ivy Bridge is still a great platform and has more processing power @ stock speeds than most people will ever need.
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I'm really happy you said this. I recently finished a new build with an i7-3770k and was wondering if I'd made a mistake and should have got the Haswell chip instead.
 

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kbrady1979 said:
Ivy Bridge is still a great platform and has more processing power @ stock speeds than most people will ever need.
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I'm really happy you said this. I recently finished a new build with an i7-3770k and was wondering if I'd made a mistake and should have got the Haswell chip instead.
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Nope, no mistake there. Ivy Bridge is still one of the best platforms to build off of in my opinion.
 

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Windows 7 Professional 64bit SP1Intel Core i5-3570K @ 4.5GHzCorsair Vengeance 16GB (4x4) @1866MHz CL 9-9-...EVGA GTX 750 Ti FTW
Computer type
PC/Desktop
Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
Custom Built
OS
Windows 7 Professional 64bit SP1
CPU
Intel Core i5-3570K @ 4.5GHz
Motherboard
Asus Sabertooth Z77
Memory
Corsair Vengeance 16GB (4x4) @1866MHz CL 9-9-9-24 1T
Graphics Card(s)
EVGA GTX 750 Ti FTW
Sound Card
Onboard Audio
Monitor(s) Displays
Dell S2309W
Screen Resolution
1920x1080
Hard Drives
Samsung 830 128GB SSD - OS
(4) Seagate 5TB HDD
(1) Seagate 2TB HDD
PSU
Seasonic X750 80+ Gold Full Modular
Case
Antec Eleven Hundred Super Mid Tower
Cooling
Intel Liquid Cooler
Keyboard
Max Nighthawk X8 Mechanical keyboard
Mouse
Mionix Naos 7000
Internet Speed
50 Mbps Down / 10 Mbps Up
Antivirus
Microsoft Security Essentials/Malwarebytes Anti-Malware
Browser
Chrome/Firefox
Other Info
Klipsch ProMedia 2.1's
Asus RT-N66R Wireless Router
kbrady1979 said:
m4paws said:
kbrady1979 said:
Ivy Bridge is still a great platform and has more processing power @ stock speeds than most people will ever need.
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I'm really happy you said this. I recently finished a new build with an i7-3770k and was wondering if I'd made a mistake and should have got the Haswell chip instead.
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Nope, no mistake there. Ivy Bridge is still one of the best platforms to build off of in my opinion.
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Yeah well seems Ivy would be the choice i'm in no rush about it now

I'll start looking at some Z77 boards soon I just need the CPU ,MB new Ram Possible new cooler
 

My Computer My Computer

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Windows 10 Home Premium 64bit sp1Intel I7-6700K @ 4.6 Ghz 1.344 volts everyday OC32GB G-Skill TridentZ 3200mhz 16-18-18-38 DDR4Sli Gigabyte Windforce GTX 980 G1
Computer type
PC/Desktop
Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
CoreI7-6700K MrFingerIII Special Builds
OS
Windows 10 Home Premium 64bit sp1
CPU
Intel I7-6700K @ 4.6 Ghz 1.344 volts everyday OC
Motherboard
Asrock Fatality K6 Z170 Socket 1151
Memory
32GB G-Skill TridentZ 3200mhz 16-18-18-38 DDR4
Graphics Card(s)
Sli Gigabyte Windforce GTX 980 G1
Sound Card
AC97 Creative Rage Tactic 3D Headphones Bluetooth
Monitor(s) Displays
27" Asus ROG Swift PG278Q G-Sync 48" Vizio Smart HD TV
Screen Resolution
2560x1440p 27"- 48" Currently Gaming at 2560x1440p Res 2K
Hard Drives
250GB Samsung Evo840SSD Seagate baracuda 500 GB WD Mybook 500Gb 1TB Seagate Barracuda
PSU
HX1050w Corsair Silver 80plus certified crosfire/sli
Case
Enthod Pro Full Tower
Cooling
Corsair H110i GT 280 mm High Performance WaterBlock
Keyboard
Logitech wireless keyboard
Mouse
Logitech wireless mouse
Internet Speed
Cox Cable 100+ mb
Antivirus
WebRoot Spysweeper with Antivirus
Browser
IE-10, Chrome, Opera
Other Info
My Other Rig is a AMD FX8320E @4.6Ghz 16GB Ballistic Sport Ram
Mobo Asrock Fatality 990FX 120GB OCZ SSD 1TB Seagate Barracuda Corsair H75 Cooling PSU Corsair CX750
GPU GTX Gigabyte 970G1
kbrady1979 said:
m4paws said:
kbrady1979 said:
Ivy Bridge is still a great platform and has more processing power @ stock speeds than most people will ever need.
Click to expand...

I'm really happy you said this. I recently finished a new build with an i7-3770k and was wondering if I'd made a mistake and should have got the Haswell chip instead.
Click to expand...

Nope, no mistake there. Ivy Bridge is still one of the best platforms to build off of in my opinion.
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It was quite an upgrade for me. I was very close to the Haswell but then heard about issues with PSU's and C states, which I knew nothing about. Since I am using an older Seasonic PSU, I decided to go with the Ivy Bridge. Glad I did :D
 

My Computer My Computer

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Windows 7 Ultimate x64i7-3770kCrucial Ballistix (2 x 8gb)Zotac GTX 660
Computer type
PC/Desktop
Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
Custom Build
OS
Windows 7 Ultimate x64
CPU
i7-3770k
Motherboard
Asrock Z77 Extreme4
Memory
Crucial Ballistix (2 x 8gb)
Graphics Card(s)
Zotac GTX 660
Sound Card
On board Realtek HD
Monitor(s) Displays
LG L246WP
Screen Resolution
1920 x 1200
Hard Drives
Samsung 840 Pro (256gb)
WD 1tb Blue
PSU
SeaSonic 500w
Cooling
Cooler Master Hyper 212 Evo
Keyboard
Logitech MK550
Mouse
Evoluent Vertical Mouse
Antivirus
AVG
Browser
Coolnovo
Guess im canceling my order for the haswell
 

My Computer My Computer

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Windows 7 64 (bit)I7 4790K8GBEVGA 770 SC ACX
Computer type
PC/Desktop
Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
Custom Build
OS
Windows 7 64 (bit)
CPU
I7 4790K
Motherboard
Asus Maximus VII Hero
Memory
8GB
Graphics Card(s)
EVGA 770 SC ACX
Monitor(s) Displays
iiyama GB2488HSU
Screen Resolution
1920*1080
Hard Drives
1TB WESTERN DIGITAL BLACK
PSU
850 EVGA Supernova G2
Case
Carbide Series® Air 540 High Airflow ATX Cube Case
Cooling
The Black Ice® GT Stealth 240, Alphacool NexXxoS UT60 280
Keyboard
STEELSERIES APEX [RAW]
Mouse
Roccat XTD
Internet Speed
30Meg
Antivirus
Bitdefender
Browser
Google Chrome
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