How hot should the MOBO DRM's Be?

sisrace · 25 Mar 2014

Solarstarshines said:

it says TJ max 90 that isn't true

like i said before the Architecture made it hard to read AMD FX-Series FX-8350 - FD8350FRW8KHK / FD8350FRHKBOX

if you are using a asus board i bet your bottom dollar it will warn you of CPU centegrade if you pass 60c

ok. Should i go into my bios and change the cpu heat warning to 60c instead?

Solarstarshines · 25 Mar 2014

sisrace said:

Solarstarshines said:

it says TJ max 90 that isn't true

like i said before the Architecture made it hard to read AMD FX-Series FX-8350 - FD8350FRW8KHK / FD8350FRHKBOX

if you are using a asus board i bet your bottom dollar it will warn you of CPU centegrade if you pass 60c

ok. Should i go into my bios and change the cpu heat warning to 60c instead?

No you should be fine just follow what we told you and keep a eye on them and don't go above 55c on core temp or HWmonitor

MagusMagnus · 27 Mar 2014

I would recommend CUPID HWMonitor for the 8350 because. (There was a better/clearer, official AMD response on this but I can't find it right now. But this is the same gist of it).

So, in CUPID HWMonitor...
Temperatures > CPU = Socket temperature. <- Don't allow this to exceed 70C/158F.
AMD FX-8350 > Package = Core temperature. <- Don't allow this to exceed 62C/140F.

It's just simpler and if you keep this in mind leaves no room for mistaking one for the other.

IF you do allow the package/core temperature to consistently exceed 62F, I can and in no uncertain terms promise you that it will succumb to chronic "mini freezes" and because beyond 62F is where the actual Silicon (where the core dies are) will begin to degrade and thereby impede performance, including "glitching"; and it will be permanent damage if it happens too often and for too long. It is not pretty and it is extremely frustrating to deal with if you can't run out and replace the chip to "solve" the problem.

The other three of our systems had that happen (Intel's: one P4 and two Core2Duo's). I can't remember what the P4's maximum was, so we'll just stick with the Core2Duo's for the following. Not even for Intel can you trust the "TJMax" because those certainly were not operating at or anywhere near it (90C for the Core2Duos) they were actually each operating at a maximum of 75C (side-note: our ambient is consistently between 80F/26.6C and 110F/43.3C for half of the year, so that is definitely half of the culprit; the other half is that they were OEM builds and they ALWAYS screw you on the cooling and these two happened to also be laptops so...) and that still happened to each of them. This very thing is precisely why I forked out for the NH-D14 on this build, that should not happen this time even with this 8350... or I will simply underclock a bit to compensate (I'd rather do that than to not have an operational one at all. Don't want to deal with worrying about the potential disasters of water cooling).

Lastly, don't bother with "AMD Overdrive" for temperatures because "Starting with AMD OverDrive Ver 4.3.1.0690 instead of displaying CPU temperature, AOD will report Thermal Margin. Thermal Margin indicates how far the current operating temperature is below the maximum operating temperature of the processor" it's next to useless for that.

sisrace · 27 Mar 2014

MagusMagnus said:

I would recommend CUPID HWMonitor for the 8350 because. (There was a better/clearer, official AMD response on this but I can't find it right now. But this is the same gist of it).

So, in CUPID HWMonitor...
Temperatures > CPU = Socket temperature. <- Don't allow this to exceed 70C/158F.
AMD FX-8350 > Package = Core temperature. <- Don't allow this to exceed 62C/140F.

It's just simpler and if you keep this in mind leaves no room for mistaking one for the other.

IF you do allow the package/core temperature to consistently exceed 62F, I can and in no uncertain terms promise you that it will succumb to chronic "mini freezes" and because beyond 62F is where the actual Silicon (where the core dies are) will begin to degrade and thereby impede performance, including "glitching"; and it will be permanent damage if it happens too often and for too long. It is not pretty and it is extremely frustrating to deal with if you can't run out and replace the chip to "solve" the problem.

The other three of our systems had that happen (Intel's: one P4 and two Core2Duo's). I can't remember what the P4's maximum was, so we'll just stick with the Core2Duo's for the following. Not even for Intel can you trust the "TJMax" because those certainly were not operating at or anywhere near it (90C for the Core2Duos) they were actually each operating at a maximum of 75C (side-note: our ambient is consistently between 80F/26.6C and 110F/43.3C for half of the year, so that is definitely half of the culprit; the other half is that they were OEM builds and they ALWAYS screw you on the cooling and these two happened to also be laptops so...) and that still happened to each of them. This very thing is precisely why I forked out for the NH-D14 on this build, that should not happen this time even with this 8350... or I will simply underclock a bit to compensate (I'd rather do that than to not have an operational one at all. Don't want to deal with worrying about the potential disasters of water cooling).

Lastly, don't bother with "AMD Overdrive" for temperatures because "Starting with AMD OverDrive Ver 4.3.1.0690 instead of displaying CPU temperature, AOD will report Thermal Margin. Thermal Margin indicates how far the current operating temperature is below the maximum operating temperature of the processor" it's next to useless for that.

I REALLY hope you are not beeing serious about not letting the cpu to be running at 62F constatly Becouse otherwise i might have to move to the north pole and game outside in the snow..