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Windows 7: What's your Process Count?

15 Sep 2010   #11
Maxxwire

Windows 7 x64 Home Premium
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post

Edit: BTW...i'm not singling you out. This is directed towards anybody that feels the way you do. I just assume since you put in the time and effort to make the changes, you must have an interest and a desire to know the overall outcome.

And my questions to you are as follows;
1). How much time did you spend reading and disabling of all of these services combined?
2). What proof do you have that the computer is indeed faster and more responsive with your changes?
3). Is it possible that you spent more time reading and making the changes then you have actually saved by implementing them?

To answer the OP question, I'm using a Win7 64-bit box at work. No tweaking, running some tests for work with a handful of apps installed and running a filezilla server at the moment, along with my web browser. Task manager shows 35 processes, 0% cpu usage and 14% of my physical memory in use (8GB).
1) First let me point out that my Win 7 computer did not start out with the same number of services as your Win 7 computer did because I started at 56 services and ended up at 35 services and it took me 1 hour and 10 minutes to trim the services to the same level that you had all along.

2) Who ever claimed that trimming unneeded services would make a computer faster and more responsive? On the hardware challenged computers of yesterday with 200-400 Passmark Benchmark scores the amount of resources that every single running service consumed was critical, but not so with these modern machines with 1,500-2000 or higher Passmark Benchmark scores. Although you can trim some computer start time by disabling unneeded services that start at boot Other than that to me this is primarily a house keeping issue. Just because unneeded junk doesn't get in your way doesn't mean that its not there and it certainly doesn't mean its not junk you will never use. Like I said I took just over an hour of my time to clean up my computer's services to the same level that yours have always been at. Shouldn't everyone be able to exercise that option or should they be stuck forever with scores of totally unneeded services that Microsoft pre-enabled?

3) As far as the 1 hour and 10 minutes I spent trimming the unneeded services from my Win 7 computer which Microsoft programs into every Win 7 OS so that every user around the world can run whatever device they might have with their new Win 7 computer is concerned I waste far more than 1 hour of time on websites everyday reading subject matter that in the end is of absolutely no benefit to my computer at all at least after trimming unneeded services from starting my Win 7 computer now starts in 21 seconds according to the Task Manager uptime clock and that always puts a smile on my face and over just 1 year that averages out to be 0.19 seconds of labor per day on trimming the completely unneeded services that made it possible.

~Maxx~
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15 Sep 2010   #12
pparks1

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Maxxwire View Post
2) Who ever claimed that trimming unneeded services would make a computer faster and more responsive?
Guess it would be my assumption. Why spend time shutting this stuff off if you didn't get some performance, time or disk space back? It's not like you are deleting annoying icons off the desktop...you are shutting down things behind the scenes that you never see.


Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Maxxwire View Post
Shouldn't everyone be able to exercise that option or should they be stuck forever with scores of totally unneeded services that Microsoft pre-enabled?
Absolutely should be able to do that...I just wonder why people do this. I was curious and asked and you answered.

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3) at least after trimming unneeded services from starting my Win 7 computer now starts in 21 seconds according to the Task Manager uptime clock and that always puts a smile on my face
So, now you say that trimming unneeded services made your computer faster, but above you state that it's not about making the computer faster. I'm so confused.

The question I have is how long did it take your computer to start before you starting adjusting these services? Because I'll be honest, I went through the Black Viper guide once, shut off some unnecessary things and my boot time actually increased by 3 seconds. Perhaps before your adjustments, you booted in 19 seconds???? Would you know?
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15 Sep 2010   #13
Maxxwire

Windows 7 x64 Home Premium
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Maxxwire View Post
3) at least after trimming unneeded services from starting my Win 7 computer now starts in 21 seconds according to the Task Manager uptime clock and that always puts a smile on my face
So, now you say that trimming unneeded services made your computer faster, but above you state that it's not about making the computer faster. I'm so confused.
What I said was that my Win 7 computer boots faster (by 4 seconds) than it did with all of the unneeded services Microsoft had burdened it with when I first got it.

Very simply put by becoming familiar with the 100+ services in their Win 7 computer using BlackViper's very well researched and detailed explanation of each service people can gain more insight as to how their computer operates. Controlling services is as easy as click of a mouse and every action is as easily reversed in that BlackViper has all of the default services settings for all versions of Win 7 clearly listed.

Controlling what services run on the computer is certainly not an undertaking for everyone. As with many other areas of computing if they don't have full confidence in what they are doing its best just to leave the services alone.

For those who choose to take control of their computer and decide for themselves what services will be allowed to run instead of running their computer with every extra unneeded service that Microsoft deided to pile on which they estimated every someone on the far flung reaches of the globe might possibly need someday are simply exercising their right to choose what they think is best for their Win 7 computer.

~Maxx~
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15 Sep 2010   #14
pacinitaly

windows 7 professional & ultimate 64bit laptops
 
 

I would love to know how many I can disable and maintain stability


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15 Sep 2010   #15
Maxxwire

Windows 7 x64 Home Premium
 
 

pacinitaly- Your screenshot of running processes look very well in order to me. I can't see where you should change a anything. I can see though that you use Process Explorer which I also like to use for the purpose of checking running programs.

The unneeded processes I mentioned before can be located under Control Panel> Administrative Tools> Services where all the started and unstarted services are listed. For example if you do not use a fax machine you could disable that service or the same with the several services for Media Center if you are not using that program. I have disabled Wi-Fi service on my deaktop for housekeeping reasons since I never use it because I use a wired router, but I keep it enabled on my laptop because I travel with it and I use its wireless modem.

There are also a host of other background services which may be scheduled to run from time to time which you feel you do not need that can be disabled if you choose to. Just remember that services can be restarted just as easily as they were disabled so there is little chance of harm to your computer as long as you keep good notes about which services you changed.

~Maxx~
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15 Sep 2010   #16
Maxxwire

Windows 7 x64 Home Premium
 
 

Here is the way that I managed to disable 4 services from 39 down to 35 that ran on my Win 7 computer every day and simultaneously rid my Win 7 cpmputer of daily Microsoft Customer Experience Improvement Program information gathering which continues on for years after the user has opted out of the CEIP program which is a policy which is new to Win 7...



The simple method would be to click Start and type and then click on Task Scheduler. Next go into the file tree and click on Microsoft and all of the scheduled tasks will appear. Select the group of tasks by clicking on the title and by right clicking on any individual task you can select which action you want to take.

You may notice in the graphic that I have deleted 3 of the scheduled CEIP information gathering tasks under Customer Experience Improvement Program because even though oficially opted out of CEIP in Win 7 the scheduled task information gathering will continue. As I understand this is new to Win 7 and there are even more scheduled CEIP information gathering tasks under Application Experience...



After Disabling these scheduled tasks along with 2 more under the heading DiskDiagnostic my Win 7 computer now boots with 4 less programs starting and running all day and that is my version of a genuine Customer Experience Improvement! I plan on deleting these CEIP information gathering tasks as soon as I am 100% sure that there have been no negative consequences to preventing this information gathering.

Speaking of which here is the Comodo Defense+ log that shows the scheduled Application Experience information gathering in progress as rundll32.exe silently opens each of the programs on my computer and spends a good 2 minutes examining each one until it starts the next which is what initially started my investigation into this matter. This is just a 1 hour excerpt out of an MS scheduled application information gathering process that went on for hours even though I had officially opted out of CEIP when I first set up the computer...



~Maxx~
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15 Sep 2010   #17
Lemur

Systems 1 and 2: Windows 7 Enterprise x64, Win 8 Developer
 
 

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15 Sep 2010   #18
Maxxwire

Windows 7 x64 Home Premium
 
 

Thanks for your input Lemur...

"I have a little confession. I am slightly obsessed with keeping Windows 7′s running process (when not in use, of course) number below 35. I honestly like to keep it at 30 if you want the truth. I know what your thinking – who cares and why on earth are you worried about how many processes are running on your computer? Well, I like to keep my windows rig running as fast as possible. With as little excess stuff running in the background.

One of the processes that I have permanently stopped is Windows Search. I see no need to have this 3 process feature running in the background scanning and indexing my computer whenever it wants. I know where everything on my computer is located at all times. Therefore I have zero use for these processes. I see no difference in the way my computer searches or acts. Except for, I can’t search for files from the start menu anymore. But that does not concern me at all. A few others that I keep off are Windows Defrag, Offline Files, and some others."

~Maxx~
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15 Sep 2010   #19
antharr

Windows 7 64x
 
 

Here ya go.


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15 Sep 2010   #20
pacinitaly

windows 7 professional & ultimate 64bit laptops
 
 

thanks Max, I also disabled the experience and others


very kewl!!!!!!


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