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Windows 7: IOBit Smart Defrag - What it did to my system

17 Oct 2010   #11
marsmimar

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According to CNET reviews, IObit Security 360 and IObit Smart Defrag both achieved 5 star ratings from the editorial staff. Everyday users gave both utilities 4 stars.

IObit Security 360 - Free software downloads and software reviews - CNET Download.com

Smart Defrag - Free software downloads and software reviews - CNET Download.com

The issue of theft of intellectual property goes back to November 2009. To summarize, other utilities including Malwarebytes detected some malware that IObit missed. (Nothing suspicious there since no anti-malware product is 100% effective 100% of the time.) If the detected malware was named "this.is.malware.exe" by Malwarebytes, then IObit updated its own data base with that specific name. Malwarebytes felt this was theft of intellectual property. As of November 2009 IObit updated their database to address the accusations. Seems the issue is resolved.

For people to make blanket statements condemning (or praising) a particular software is not responsible journalism. It's been proven over and over again that there are too many differences between one computer and another to categorically state that "XYZ" is no good. Because "XYZ" might work perfectly well on a different machine.

If anyone finds that McAfee, Norton, Trend Micro, MSE, IObit, or whatever doesn't play nice on his or her machine.... don't use it! There are many other applications available to try out. When you find a product, or combination of products, that works for you, congratulations! It's a real simple concept.


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17 Oct 2010   #12
Bill2

Windows 7 x64 pro/ Windows 7 x86 Pro/ XP SP3 x86
 
 

I've done a fair bit of googling but beats me what exactly the difference between "fast optimize" and "deep optimize" is. IOBIT itself describes them as in the snip.

What is the difference between "fast" organize and "intelligent" organize? Since intelligent organize is supposed to take longer, does it defrag smaller chunks that "fast" ignores, if yes what sizes? Or does intelligent organize behave like Superfetch?

Seems like a lot of mumbo jumbo to me.


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17 Oct 2010   #13
Vertex

Windows 7 Ultimate 32 Bit, Windows Developer Preview, Linux Mint 9 Gnome 32 Bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Bill2 View Post

What is the difference between "fast" organize and "intelligent" organize? Since intelligent organize is supposed to take longer, does it defrag smaller chunks that "fast" ignores, if yes what sizes? Or does intelligent organize behave like Superfetch?

Seems like a lot of mumbo jumbo to me.
Well they are not the only ones that use this appeal tactic.
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17 Oct 2010   #14
Maxxwire

Windows 7 x64 Home Premium
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by marsmimar View Post
If the detected malware was named "this.is.malware.exe" by Malwarebytes, then IObit updated its own data base with that specific name. Malwarebytes felt this was theft of intellectual property. As of November 2009 IObit updated their database to address the accusations. Seems the issue is resolved.
No, IObit never did admit stealing from Malwarebytes even after the clever techs at Malwarebytes coded results of the stolen definitions to have the name 'Quit Stealing Our Intellectual Property' and many IObit users uninstalled and quit using all IObit software after seeing this shocking message on their monitors after doing a scan with IObit 360.

I realize that the officially the Chinese government does not recognize international copyright law, but theft of intellectual property in the form of an Antivirus database simply is not and hopefully never will be tolerated in the highly competitive world of computer security.

~Maxx~
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17 Oct 2010   #15
marsmimar

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Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Maxxwire View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by marsmimar View Post
If the detected malware was named "this.is.malware.exe" by Malwarebytes, then IObit updated its own data base with that specific name. Malwarebytes felt this was theft of intellectual property. As of November 2009 IObit updated their database to address the accusations. Seems the issue is resolved.
No, IObit never did admit stealing from Malwarebytes even after the clever techs at Malwarebytes coded results of the stolen definitions to have the name 'Quit Stealing Our Intellectual Property' and many IObit users uninstalled and quit using all IObit software after seeing this shocking message on their monitors after doing a scan with IObit 360.

I realize that the officially the Chinese government does not recognize international copyright law, but theft of intellectual property in the form of an Antivirus database simply is not and hopefully never will be tolerated in the highly competitive world of computer security.

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Under US laws that's called entrapment. As the article states, it all happened in November 2009. Nor does it address the original question of whether IObit products trash a system.
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18 Oct 2010   #16
Maxxwire

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Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by marsmimar View Post
Under US laws that's called entrapment. As the article states, it all happened in November 2009. Nor does it address the original question of whether IObit products trash a system.
In the world of computer security its called very cleverly catching IObit red handed stealing Malwarebyte's AV definitions. I was a member at the IObit forums in Nov 2009 at the time they got caught stealing and and for the year up unto the time when I posted there there were literally hundreds of different complaints from around the world about IObit Smart Defrag ruining people's computers so for me there is no question about the wide spread damage that software has done.

~Maxx~
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18 Oct 2010   #17
marsmimar

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Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Maxxwire View Post
I was a member at the IObit forums in Nov 2009 at the time they got caught stealing and and for the year up unto the time when I posted there there were literally hundreds of different complaints from around the world about IObit Smart Defrag ruining people's computers so for me there is no question about the wide spread damage that software has done.

~Maxx~
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Again, I am not questioning or arguing about corporate espionage or stealing intellectual property. My post was to simply offer an opposing opinion from a well respected source (CNET) that Smart Defrag rated 5 stars by their editorial staff during their review of the product. This would seem to be contary to the "literally hundreds of different complaints from around the world" that you seem to be hanging your hat on.

I would respectfully remind everyone that a few years ago Norton had some products that hogged resources, slowed PCs to a crawl, and caused untold damage to users' machines. People jumped to competing products like rats from a sinking ship. But Norton worked to improve the quality of their products and they are once again leaders in the industry. I believe, and apparently CNET agrees, that IObit improved Smart Defrag. So on the merits of whether Smart Defrag is a good product or a bad product we can agree to disagree.
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18 Oct 2010   #18
Maxxwire

Windows 7 x64 Home Premium
 
 

marsmimar- How many of the Cnet staff do you know of who were posting daily on the IObit forum back in 2009 with enough frequency to accumulate nearly 1,000 posts that year as I did? Which account is more credible a daily participant on the IObit forums who saw complaints regularly registered against Smart Defrag or the Cnet staff who only have a remote editorial view and very likely are not even registered members let alone daily participants on the IObit forums where all this transpired?

~Maxx~
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18 Oct 2010   #19
marsmimar

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Maxxwire View Post
marsmimar- How many of the Cnet staff do you know of who were posting daily on the IObit forum back in 2009 with enough frequency to accumulate nearly 1,000 posts that year as I did? Which account is more credible a daily participant on the IObit forums who saw complaints regularly registered against Smart Defrag or the Cnet staff who only have a remote editorial view and very likely are not even registered members let alone daily participants on the IObit forums where all this transpired?

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Maxx, you win!

I have a circle of friends that includes a die-hard Chevy Silverado owner, a die-hard Ford F-150 owner, and a die-hard Dodge Ram 1500 owner. They are each set in their opinions about their particular truck and very defensive of those opinions. Just as you are when it comes to Smart Defrag. So be it.

This will be my last response on the subject and I publicly acknowledge that, without any threats or coercion by you or anyone else, you win this discussion by default.
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18 Oct 2010   #20
Maxxwire

Windows 7 x64 Home Premium
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by marsmimar View Post
This will be my last response on the subject and I publicly acknowledge that, without any threats or coercion by you or anyone else, you win this discussion by default.
I apologize if what I said offended you, but I put a lot of time into that forum during 2009 only to find out in the end what was really going on with Security 360 debacle. In the end though that experience only helps me to appreciate the great Members like you here on the Windows 7 Fourms.

A a man of lesser character would have drug the conversation through the mud, but you did not and as far as I am concerned that deserves as many Rep points as a Forum novice like me can give you.

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