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Windows 7: Superfast machine

06 Jul 2009   #1
Robert Cartman

Windows 7 RTM x64
 
 
Superfast machine

Hi!
I'm planning to build a vrey fast machine.
I'm going to use SSD drives, but after I read this thread I don't know what to do. If it slows down after a while or stop working because of the limited life of an SSD I don't think it worth the price.
Questions:
If I put every file what must be changing (write,rewrite,delete) during the usage of the system, for example the swap file, to a ramdrive, will it solve that problem?
How can I do that? How can i find all the files what need to move there? Can I move them?
What is the biggest size for a ramdrive what can made? (I think 10Gb is needed)
If only the "static" files will be on the SSD will it speed up my system?
Am I crazy or just stupid?


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06 Jul 2009   #2
smarteyeball

 
 

An SSD will slow down to a certain speed and then plateau out. It will still have a much faster sequential read than than any mechanical hard drive.
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06 Jul 2009   #3
ExNavy11

Windows 7 RTM
 
 

I wish I had the money for a SSD. I never knew about the slow down issue but it doesnt appear to be a big deal.

Id love to get my hands on one. Gotta try and find the places that sell them the cheapest, though I have a feeling that still wont be cheap enough.
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06 Jul 2009   #4
Robert Cartman

Windows 7 RTM x64
 
 

I think they will be cheaper soon and for me it would be enough 16GB for the system.
The RAM prices are also very down now so it is not a big investigation to make that big ramdrive.
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06 Jul 2009   #5
Antman

 

SSD drives "slow down". Yes. They begin at a million times faster than disk drives and stabilize at .999 million times faster. A non-issue in this context.

A RAM drive is not the solution.
  • Page File in RAM: Reduces amount of available RAM, increasing need for page operation. Self defeating.
  • Config/Ini files: Lost on power cycle. Yes, some apps keep config data in temp files.
  • Browser cache/cookies: Lost on power cycle.
  • Ad infinitum...
The difference between smooth and superfast is likely discernable only in benchmarking. Pragmatically, unless you are editing video or RAW images, there is such a thing as wasted RAM.

A 32-core CPU running at 3000+ TeraHZ with 4 thousand GB of DDR9 RAM won't give you a "superfast PC" if you have onboard video and your goal is to play Crysis.

My point being - the definition of superfast PC begins with - What do you want the PC to do? Remember, a PC is a set of peripherals wrapped around a microprocessor, enabling a user to do almost anything fairly well. In contrast, an XBox 360 is a set of peripherals wrapped around a microprocessor, enabling a user to do one thing very well.

And, in the PC environment, what is superfast today will not be superfast this time next year.

Having said that...

SSD or HDD - You need to modify your Win7 install files. Place User Profiles on a different drive than System Files. If you do this AFTER OS install, plenty of data continues to reside at C:\Users. Also, environment variables need to be changed to place TEMP off C:\Windows\Temp. The list goes on...
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06 Jul 2009   #6
wguimb

 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Antman View Post
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My point being - the definition of superfast PC begins with - What do you want the PC to do? Remember, a PC is a set of peripherals wrapped around a microprocessor, enabling a user to do almost anything fairly well. ......
Nicely said. I never thought about that way although that is pretty obvious. A "fast" PC is very subjective to what the user has experienced in the past. Someone who has been running an old P4 single core with 512Mb RAM, old IDE hard drive, and a low end graphics card, would most likely think that same system would be a fast computer if that got more RAM and a newly installed OS (with no malware, spyware, adware, etc.). It just depends on what you are used to.

One area that people need to concentrate on when building or purchasing a new PC or laptop for running Windows 7 is the graphics adapter. The more onboard DRAM, the better. Go with at least 256MB or 512MB if you can afford it. Don't skimp on that, it can make all the difference in the world. Windows 7 runs best with tons of RAM also, so spend some money in that area as well. Run a 64-bit OS to make better use of the RAM and newer motherboard and CPU technology.

Best Video Cards
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 295 or 285
ATI Radeon HD 4870 X2

Best CPU
Intel Core i7 Processor 975 or 965 Extreme
Intel Core i7 Processor 950

Source: Futuremark
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06 Jul 2009   #7
Robert Cartman

Windows 7 RTM x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Antman View Post
SSD drives "slow down". Yes. They begin at a million times faster than disk drives and stabilize at .999 million times faster. A non-issue in this context.

A RAM drive is not the solution.
  • Page File in RAM: Reduces amount of available RAM, increasing need for page operation. Self defeating.
  • Config/Ini files: Lost on power cycle. Yes, some apps keep config data in temp files.
  • Browser cache/cookies: Lost on power cycle.
  • Ad infinitum...
The difference between smooth and superfast is likely discernable only in benchmarking. Pragmatically, unless you are editing video or RAW images, there is such a thing as wasted RAM.

A 32-core CPU running at 3000+ TeraHZ with 4 thousand GB of DDR9 RAM won't give you a "superfast PC" if you have onboard video and your goal is to play Crysis.

My point being - the definition of superfast PC begins with - What do you want the PC to do? Remember, a PC is a set of peripherals wrapped around a microprocessor, enabling a user to do almost anything fairly well. In contrast, an XBox 360 is a set of peripherals wrapped around a microprocessor, enabling a user to do one thing very well.

And, in the PC environment, what is superfast today will not be superfast this time next year.

Having said that...

SSD or HDD - You need to modify your Win7 install files. Place User Profiles on a different drive than System Files. If you do this AFTER OS install, plenty of data continues to reside at C:\Users. Also, environment variables need to be changed to place TEMP off C:\Windows\Temp. The list goes on...
With enough RAM I can turn off the swapfile without problems.
I don't want to build a PC what you or everyone will like, I just thinking about how can I increase the systems disk perfirmance.
I do know that a fast system is not only an ssd drive, but now and here I'm talking about the disk speed, so we don't need to definie what is a super fast PC.
And why did you tell this: "what is superfast today will not be superfast this time next year."? Yes its true. And the water is wet.


AND... yes I DO wnat to use in that machine a very good video card and of course a X64 OS and a lot of RAM....and so on.

Please stay at the theme, how can I make a "read-only" ssd system disk.
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06 Jul 2009   #8
Robert Cartman

Windows 7 RTM x64
 
 

I've almost forgatten.
The ramdrive is really not the best idea, so i have to use a single HDD instead ramdrive.
But I think it will still be faster then without the SSD.
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06 Jul 2009   #9
DJG

 

No need to be rude when someone's trying to help. People don't always know you or what your capacity or knowledge is, so you can politely say, "Thanks for the great info - it's all true but I already knew that, and I want to focus on this particular aspect".

Lighten up!
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06 Jul 2009   #10
DJG

 

I almost forgot ... 16GB may not be enough. A vanilla install seems to take up about 13GB actual space, and the 16GB drive is not really 16GB in real use. I wish those marketing people would use real numbers.
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