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Windows 7: Disc defrag problem

07 Jun 2011   #11
Oaken

Windows 7
 
 

It may be that a Windows system file needs to be moved before fragmentation can be improved. I'd suggest downloading the trial version of PerfectDisk 11 Professional.

Provided the drive shows up, click on your Windows drive and then hit the "Analyze" button at the top-left of the interface. Once the analysis has completed, click "Save Statistics" at the right of the statistics pane.

Post the results here and we should be able to see if any system files are involved?


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08 Jun 2011   #12
chainswap

Windows 7 Home Premium 32bit
 
 

ok ill download and try it and get back to yall on the reults also

@richc46
when you go to defrag your system its the one at the very bottom that says system drive i think
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08 Jun 2011   #13
carwiz

Windows 7 Pro-x64
 
 

If it's a SSD, Do NOT run defrag on it! In fact, Win7 disables the defrag for SSDs.
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08 Jun 2011   #14
chainswap

Windows 7 Home Premium 32bit
 
 

here is the results of the analysis anyways please tell me if something is wrong?

Code:
 
Analysis of Drive SYSTEM (Unmounted drive)
 
Computer: Charles
 
 
Analysis Results
Time Started:
6/8/2011 7:24:21 PM
Duration:
00:00:00
 
Time Completed:
6/8/2011 7:24:21 PM
Total CPU Time:
00:00:00
 
 
Summary
PerfectDisk has finished analyzing your drive and your drive is operating at peak performance
 
Recommended Actions
Since your drive is operating at peak performance, there are no additional optimization recommendations.
You do not appear to have StealthPatrol enabled for this drive. We recommend that you enable Automatic Mode or Screen Saver optimization to continuously improve system performance.
 
 
Drive Details
 
 
 
Drive:
SYSTEM (Unmounted drive)
GUID:
64257844-a790-11de-bb87-806e6f6e6963
File System
NTFS
Drive Size:
199 MB
Cluster Size:
4096 bytes
Used Space:
29.45 MB
Free Space:
169.55 MB
Drive Type:
HDD
Thin-Provisioned:
No
 

 
 
Drive Performance
 
 
 
Current:
97.5%
 
 
 
 
 

 
 
 
File Statistics
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Number of files:
 
77
 

Number of fragmented files:
 
2
 
Number of excess fragments:
 
2
 
Average number of fragments:
 
1
 
Percent file fragmentation:
 
2.6%
 
Percent data fragmentation:
 
4.5%
 
 
 
 
Metadata Statistics
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Metadata Size:
 
956
 
 
Number of excess metadata fragments:
 
338
 
 
Percent metadata Fragmentation:
 
5.6%
 
 
Percent directory data Fragmentation:
 
0%
 
 
 
 
 
MFT Statistics
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
MFT size:
 
64
 
 
Number of excess MFT fragments:
 
0
 
 
Percent MFT Fragmentation:
 
0%
 
 
 
 
 
Free Space Statistics
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Number of free space fragments:
 
7
 
 
Average free space fragment size:
 
16 KB
 
 
Largest free space chunk:
 
107.74 MB
 
 
Percent free space fragmentation
 
0.1%
 
 
 
 
 
Most Fragmented Files
# of Fragments
File Size
 
 
 
$MFT::$BITMAP
2
8 KB
$Extend\$UsnJrnl:$J
2
1.31 MB
 
 
 
System Excluded Files
Reason
# of Fragments
 
 
 
$MFTMirr
Metadata
0
$LogFile
Metadata
0
$Volume
Metadata
0
$Bitmap
Metadata
0
$Boot
Metadata
0
$BadClus:$Bad
Metadata
0
$Secure:$SDS
Metadata
0
$Secure:$SDH:$INDEX_ALLOCATION
Metadata
0
$Secure:$SII:$INDEX_ALLOCATION
Metadata
0
$Extend\$Quota
Metadata
0
$Extend\$ObjId
Metadata
0
$Extend\$Reparse
Metadata
0
also what do you mean by an ssd?

it says peak performance but the built in defragger tells me 12% fragmented so im confused?
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08 Jun 2011   #15
cluberti

Windows 10 Pro x64
 
 

Just because a disk has fragmentation doesn't mean it cannot be operating at peak performance:
http://blogs.msdn.com/b/e7/archive/2009/01/25/disk-defragmentation-background-and-engineering-the-windows-7-improvements.aspx

Honestly, the output you posted looks quite good, so I wouldn't disagree with the assertion that was made - your disk is working at optimal performance. Only people with OCPD or OCD really need a disk at 0% fragmentation, and that's not a performance issue, that's a mental health issue .
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08 Jun 2011   #16
chainswap

Windows 7 Home Premium 32bit
 
 

thanks very much and i do have a bit of OCD so that explains why i asked this question even knowing my computer works fine
thanks again and ill just ignore the 12%

1 more quick question would it be better to just not defrag that drive?
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08 Jun 2011   #17
Wishmaster

Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit
 
 

The fragmented files could be System Restore Points. Or, even the Pagefile.

If you have a defragmenter such as Perfect Disk, ((PD12 is out now BTW)) you can run a boot time defrag to defragment these files.

They can not be moved while Windows is running, so if fragmented they will stay fragmented.

There are ways around it however.

For example, if you are sure the system is clean, you can delete all the system Restore points.

Then Defrag the HD.
Once done, create a new Restore point.


After you anylyse the drive with PerfectDisc, youll have a map that shows you whats fragmented.
It should be fairly easy to pinpoint whats not being moved, and my guess is that its most likely Restore Points or possibly Hiberfile, or pagefile.


And if a SSD, do NOT use Windows defrag.
The only ones I know are safe is Pefect Disc Consolodate Free Space ... And in the new PD12, the Optimize SSD defrag.

Also, theres Diskeeper that can deal with SSDs safely, but I do not know much about it.

Although the Consolodate Free Space is safe, and can help a bit, I wouldnt recommend doing it to often. Maybe something like once a month at the most.
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08 Jun 2011   #18
Oaken

Windows 7
 
 

I'm a little confused. Having re-read this thread a number of times I'm not reading you have a Solid State Drive (SSD)? If you do then consider the advice given for this?

Also the System & Drive information in the report doesn't look right to me, unless I've completely misunderstood something you have posted earlier?

Quote:
SYSTEM (Unmounted drive)
Never had a drive reported as unmounted?

Quote:
Drive Size:
199 MB
Cluster Size:
4096 bytes
Used Space:
29.45 MB
Free Space:
169.55 MB
Seems to be a very small drive? This looks like a boot partition or what some have referred to as a recovery partition. Something I've not come across in either case, and would leave alone unless I were absolutely certain of what I were doing.

I thought the 12% you were querying was on your main/Windows/C Drive.
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09 Jun 2011   #19
Wishmaster

Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit
 
 

Oh ... I missed that I too was thinking it was the OS drive.

199MB system partition ... this is likely the System reserved.

I am a bit confused as to why its 199MB rather than the typical 100Mb though.


Perfect disc usually sees the reserved partition and lists it as Unmounted. That in itself isn't really unusual.

And as Oaken suggested, and I agree, best to leave it alone.
In fact, I would have PD exclude it, or change that drive to manual.
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09 Jun 2011   #20
Bill2

Windows 7 x64 pro/ Windows 7 x86 Pro/ XP SP3 x86
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Wishmaster View Post
Oh ... I missed that I too was thinking it was the OS drive.

199MB system partition ... this is likely the System reserved.

I am a bit confused as to why its 199MB rather than the typical 100Mb though.


Perfect disc usually sees the reserved partition and lists it as Unmounted. That in itself isn't really unusual.

And as Oaken suggested, and I agree, best to leave it alone.
In fact, I would have PD exclude it, or change that drive to manual.
Many HP (hewlett packard) computers have 199 mb system reserved partition.
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