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Windows 7: RAM Performance

09 Jul 2011   #31
seekermeister

W7x64 Pro, SuSe 12.1/** W7 x64 Pro, XP MCE
 
 

While I realize that this problem may not be common, I would have thought that someone would have some kind of idea of how to solve it. Since the CPU controls the RAM, I suspect that it is what is telling the RAM what bandwidth and CAS settings to operate at, thus voiding my BIOS settings, but I have no idea of how to change or tweak this. Doesn't anyone?


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09 Jul 2011   #32
sygnus21

Windows 10 Pro
 
 

Why not just look to an AMD forum to see if anyone can answer your question. I know when I had questions about overclocking with my Gigabyte board I went to Tweak Town's - GIGABYTE forum and had a lot of success. You might check out their ASRock forum.

Good luck
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09 Jul 2011   #33
seekermeister

W7x64 Pro, SuSe 12.1/** W7 x64 Pro, XP MCE
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by sygnus21 View Post
Why not just look to an AMD forum to see if anyone can answer your question. I know when I had questions about overclocking with my Gigabyte board I went to Tweak Town's - GIGABYTE forum and had a lot of success. You might check out their ASRock forum.

Good luck
I took part of your suggestion, and posted the question on the AMD Forum, since AMD appears to be the source of the problem. I hope that someone there really knows what this is about.
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10 Jul 2011   #34
sygnus21

Windows 10 Pro
 
 

Good luck.
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10 Jul 2011   #35
essenbe

Windows 10 Pro/ Windows 10 Pro Insider
 
 

Seekermeister, I have not had time to read the entire thread and links. But the controller is on the CPU. It will by default set your ram at 1066or1333 9-9-9-24. Remember your board is different in that it was made for the BD CPU whick has natural support for ram up to 1866. So, I'm not sure how they interact. My AMD board set my ram by default at 1333 9-9-9-24 at 1.6V. The voltage was correct but the speed and timings were not. I had to manually set the timings. I set them the way they were rated 7-8-7-24. The only way to set the frequency was to either set the FSB/dram ratio to where the freq. was right, which my board didn't like (not all boards have this function) or to increase the FSB. If you increase te FSB a black chip like you have will usually take it OK. If you do not want to overclock your CPU you can lower the multiplier to bring your CPU back down. If you have stability problems, I had to increase the CPU NB to 1.2 to stabilize mine, but I didn't have a black chip.

The only issue may be that I had an 890 board and you have a 990. The 990 is set up for the BD chip whaich have not been released yet. So, I don't know how the 990 deals with an AM3 CPU. tw33k has a 990 board and may be able to give you some hints.
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10 Jul 2011   #36
sygnus21

Windows 10 Pro
 
 

I know nothing of AMD boards but the Intel i7's are like that in that the controller is built into the CPU, however you can individually control/tweak the memory to bring it up to specs without overclocking the CPU.

And just as you describe I've have to do the same with my performance memory - manually set the parameters - 1600MHz @ 8-8-8-20 @1.65 volts.

I could also use the XMP profile that's stored on my memory and read by the BIOS just by enabling XMP in the motherboard's BIOS, which would set the same parameters I set manually, although this would also raise other voltages as well, which is something I'd like to avoid.

Anyway Iíve never had an AMD system so I have no suggestions to give for settings.
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10 Jul 2011   #37
seekermeister

W7x64 Pro, SuSe 12.1/** W7 x64 Pro, XP MCE
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by essenbe View Post
Seekermeister, I have not had time to read the entire thread and links. But the controller is on the CPU. It will by default set your ram at 1066or1333 9-9-9-24. Remember your board is different in that it was made for the BD CPU whick has natural support for ram up to 1866. So, I'm not sure how they interact. My AMD board set my ram by default at 1333 9-9-9-24 at 1.6V. The voltage was correct but the speed and timings were not. I had to manually set the timings. I set them the way they were rated 7-8-7-24. The only way to set the frequency was to either set the FSB/dram ratio to where the freq. was right, which my board didn't like (not all boards have this function) or to increase the FSB. If you increase te FSB a black chip like you have will usually take it OK. If you do not want to overclock your CPU you can lower the multiplier to bring your CPU back down. If you have stability problems, I had to increase the CPU NB to 1.2 to stabilize mine, but I didn't have a black chip.

The only issue may be that I had an 890 board and you have a 990. The 990 is set up for the BD chip whaich have not been released yet. So, I don't know how the 990 deals with an AM3 CPU. tw33k has a 990 board and may be able to give you some hints.
No I have a 890FX Deluxe 4, therefore it is an 890 chipset, not 990. You speak of OCing, but it's not OCing just to set the RAM to run the way that it supposed to.

I somewhat understand what you have said, but not enough to go changing a bunch of things in the BIOS without a better understanding. The thing that bugs me, is the fact that it has partially ignored the changes that I have already made in the BIOS, which makes me wonder if that is where to makes the changes in the settings, or if there is a way to directly input them to the CPU memory controller?
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10 Jul 2011   #38
seekermeister

W7x64 Pro, SuSe 12.1/** W7 x64 Pro, XP MCE
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by sygnus21 View Post
I know nothing of AMD boards but the Intel i7's are like that in that the controller is built into the CPU, however you can individually control/tweak the memory to bring it up to specs without overclocking the CPU.

And just as you describe I've have to do the same with my performance memory - manually set the parameters - 1600MHz @ 8-8-8-20 @1.65 volts.

I could also use the XMP profile that's stored on my memory and read by the BIOS just by enabling XMP in the motherboard's BIOS, which would set the same parameters I set manually, although this would also raise other voltages as well, which is something I'd like to avoid.

Anyway Iíve never had an AMD system so I have no suggestions to give for settings.
I can't use XMP since that is an Intel feature. AMD Overdrive does have a place to load profiles, which makes it appear that it is designed to either load a local profile, or one downloaded from elsewhere, but when I tried that, it said that none were available.
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10 Jul 2011   #39
essenbe

Windows 10 Pro/ Windows 10 Pro Insider
 
 

My AMD board would tell you what the XMP values were but there was no way to set them except manually. My Intel board I just enabled XMP and set the frequency, it set the correct timings and voltage. I liked Intel's way much better.
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11 Jul 2011   #40
essenbe

Windows 10 Pro/ Windows 10 Pro Insider
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by seekermeister View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by essenbe View Post
Seekermeister, I have not had time to read the entire thread and links. But the controller is on the CPU. It will by default set your ram at 1066or1333 9-9-9-24. Remember your board is different in that it was made for the BD CPU whick has natural support for ram up to 1866. So, I'm not sure how they interact. My AMD board set my ram by default at 1333 9-9-9-24 at 1.6V. The voltage was correct but the speed and timings were not. I had to manually set the timings. I set them the way they were rated 7-8-7-24. The only way to set the frequency was to either set the FSB/dram ratio to where the freq. was right, which my board didn't like (not all boards have this function) or to increase the FSB. If you increase te FSB a black chip like you have will usually take it OK. If you do not want to overclock your CPU you can lower the multiplier to bring your CPU back down. If you have stability problems, I had to increase the CPU NB to 1.2 to stabilize mine, but I didn't have a black chip.

The only issue may be that I had an 890 board and you have a 990. The 990 is set up for the BD chip whaich have not been released yet. So, I don't know how the 990 deals with an AM3 CPU. tw33k has a 990 board and may be able to give you some hints.
No I have a 890FX Deluxe 4, therefore it is an 890 chipset, not 990. You speak of OCing, but it's not OCing just to set the RAM to run the way that it supposed to.

I somewhat understand what you have said, but not enough to go changing a bunch of things in the BIOS without a better understanding. The thing that bugs me, is the fact that it has partially ignored the changes that I have already made in the BIOS, which makes me wonder if that is where to makes the changes in the settings, or if there is a way to directly input them to the CPU memory controller?
As far as I am aware,there is no way to change anything in the CPU. The only changes have to be done in bios. With mine, I had to first set the memory to manual, it then allowed me to set timings. I had to set the voltage the increase the FSB to get it to rated speed. Then I had to raise the CPU NB to stabilize the settings.
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