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Windows 7: RAM Performance

11 Jul 2011   #51
pparks1

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by sygnus21 View Post
With today's systems 1600MHz is nothing and hurts nothing.
In most cases is true, but it does take a little trial and effort.

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I can enable my XMP settings and it won't overclock my CPU when the RAM is running at 1600MHz.
Correct

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And yes, by definition, 1600MHz is considered overclocked by JDEC specifications.
That was the point that I was trying to make. While you aren't "making your CPU faster" and living under the typical usage of the word "overclock", it's still considered an overclock.

And I'm not trying to talk anybody out of putting forth the effort, but sometimes at the end of the day us enthusiasts will spend a boatload of time reading, tinkering and benchmarking and will end up with nothing much in terms of "real world" performance gains for all of our efforts. You always need to consider the effort as it relates to the result. If it takes you 35 hours of time and effort to eek out 1% more improvement and that only buys you 3 minutes of actual productivity gains a day...it would take you (35 hours x 60 minutes per hour = 2100 minutes divided by 3 minutes a day = ) 700 days to earn back the time spent. But on the flip side, for most of us, computers are a hobby and it's time we enjoy when we tinker. So, it's no different than watching a movie or a sporting event.


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11 Jul 2011   #52
sygnus21

Windows 10 Pro
 
 

I can, and do, agree with you
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11 Jul 2011   #53
essenbe

Windows 10 Pro/ Windows 10 Pro Insider
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by sygnus21 View Post
I can, and do, agree with you
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11 Jul 2011   #54
seekermeister

W7x64 Pro, SuSe 12.1/** W7 x64 Pro, XP MCE
 
 

I appreciate the inputs of the last several posts, but one factor remains that throws a monkey wrench into the works...that being that with the few changes that I have already made in the BIOS to the RAM settings (Memory Clock and CAS), they are being ignored and are running at different values, and that both sticks are not running at the same specs, plus the bandwidth is running at a value that is even lower than 1333 (1066). If this was not true, then it would be much easier to make changes and then check the results.
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11 Jul 2011   #55
sygnus21

Windows 10 Pro
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by seekermeister View Post
...that being that with the few changes that I have already made in the BIOS to the RAM settings (Memory Clock and CAS), they are being ignored and are running at different values,
Sorry but you have something weird going on. Again I would check with the Asrock forum I suggested earlier. I know you said you visited an AMD Fourm, but did you check out the motherboard section? That's where your issue lies, especially since your BIOS settings aren't sticking.

The other issue could be a RAM problem in that you have mixed RAM???

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by seekermeister View Post
and that both sticks are not running at the same specs, plus the bandwidth is running at a value that is even lower than 1333 (1066). If this was not true, then it would be much easier to make changes and then check the results.
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11 Jul 2011   #56
seekermeister

W7x64 Pro, SuSe 12.1/** W7 x64 Pro, XP MCE
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by sygnus21 View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by seekermeister View Post
...that being that with the few changes that I have already made in the BIOS to the RAM settings (Memory Clock and CAS), they are being ignored and are running at different values,
Sorry but you have something weird going on. Again I would check with the Asrock forum I suggested earlier. I know you said you visited an AMD Fourm, but did you check out the motherboard section? That's where your issue lies, especially since your BIOS settings aren't sticking.

The other issue could be a RAM problem in that you have mixed RAM???

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by seekermeister View Post
and that both sticks are not running at the same specs, plus the bandwidth is running at a value that is even lower than 1333 (1066). If this was not true, then it would be much easier to make changes and then check the results.
There is nothing mixed about the RAM, both sticks are of the same brand and version, which came packaged together as a set. Since posting on the AMD forum, I have only received one response, which was no where near on target, and there have only been 32 views, so if I do get an answer there, it will probably take quite some time.

I have not yet posted on the ASRock forum, because I don't think that it is an ASRock problem, nor do I think that it is a Patriot problem. Yet, I probably will, because I will take an answer wherever I can get it.
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11 Jul 2011   #57
pparks1

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

Seekermeister;

i think this picture you posted earlier is telling the proper story;


The memory tab is what the computer is actually running the RAM at based on what is set in the BIOS. The SPD tab reads the EEPROM of the RAM chip itself and provides timings and such that the RAM would run under in normal conditions.

According to the memory tab, you are running 670Mhz or so...which when doubled is about 1333Mhz...and your timings are right.

Now, do you feel this screenshot is incorrect as you have set 800Mhz in the BIOS?
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11 Jul 2011   #58
seekermeister

W7x64 Pro, SuSe 12.1/** W7 x64 Pro, XP MCE
 
 

That is only the Memory tab, what about the SPD tab? It shows the memory running at PC-8500F (533), and if I'm not wrong, JEDEC #1 and JEDEC #2 are the value of each of the two sticks of RAM, which are not running at the same values, and neither are showing the voltage as set in the BIOS (1.7v)


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11 Jul 2011   #59
essenbe

Windows 10 Pro/ Windows 10 Pro Insider
 
 

The spd tab shows what speeds and combinations they can be set to run at based on the readngs from the ram. The memory tab shows what they are actually running at.
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11 Jul 2011   #60
pparks1

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

The SPD tab does not show what your memory is actually running at. It's a preconfigured list of settings that the manufacturer has included which explain settings that your RAM "COULD" run at. It should not be read as to what it's potential IS, or what it's currently running at.

JEDEC #1 and JEDEC #2 are two different example configurations...they are not representing each of your modules. Take 1 of your modules out and run with 1, and you will still see both entries there.

I'm running a Core 2 Duo box right beside me. I have 4 sticks of Corsair XMS2 800Mhz DDR2 RAM installed. I have 2 tabs on SPD, one said 270Mhz and the other says 400Mhz.

But my memory tab says, 400Mhz (doubled is 800Mhz), and I'm a 1:1 ratio with FSB to DRAM. My times are 5-5-5-18. My ram is set to run at 800Mhz in the BIOS and the memory tab shows me exactly where I am.
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