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Windows 7: Ideal W7 disk setup

21 Jul 2009   #1
saverio

Windows 7 Professional 64bit
 
 
Ideal W7 disk setup

In anticipation of a fresh install of W7 when the retailbox ships, I'm playing with various configurations for storage and looking at various scenarios.

I'm thinking of ditching my RAID 0 array and looking at setting the disk controller up as AHCI now that 7 supports this out of the box.

I'm thinking of the following:

Drive 1 Sytem and programs

Drive 2 pagefile (what sort of capacity woudl suit this?)

Drive 3 User files perhaps partitioned for x2 user (or would a drive for each user be better)

Drive 4 dumping ground for pictures, downloads etc.

What are your thoughts, and if you had say two to four drives kicking around how would you organise your PC?


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21 Jul 2009   #2
zigzag3143

Win 8 Release candidate 8400
 
 
ideal w7 setup

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by saverio View Post
In anticipation of a fresh install of W7 when the retailbox ships, I'm playing with various configurations for storage and looking at various scenarios.

I'm thinking of ditching my RAID 0 array and looking at setting the disk controller up as AHCI now that 7 supports this out of the box.

I'm thinking of the following:

Drive 1 Sytem and programs

Drive 2 pagefile (what sort of capacity woudl suit this?)

Drive 3 User files perhaps partitioned for x2 user (or would a drive for each user be better)

Drive 4 dumping ground for pictures, downloads etc.

What are your thoughts, and if you had say two to four drives kicking around how would you organise your PC?
Hi
Ok drive 1 yes, drive 2 sure if you use a pagefile (small), drive 3 ok, drive 4, ok. what abt a drive for backups?

KEn
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21 Jul 2009   #3
saverio

Windows 7 Professional 64bit
 
 

I suppose either drive 4 or an external. Is there any advantage to having pagefile on it's own volume I wonder?
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21 Jul 2009   #4
Orbital Shark

 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by saverio View Post
I suppose either drive 4 or an external. Is there any advantage to having pagefile on it's own volume I wonder?
I've read that if you are going to have a seperate drive for a page file it does run faster. You could use your download drive, and personally, i'd set your page file at 1.5x you memory as i've also read that this can really help
Note   Note
If you are just partitioning seperate drives then page file performance will not increase as it's still using the same physical drive, if you have a seperate physical drive then you will gain PF performance

If I find the source information then i'll post here too
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21 Jul 2009   #5
Antman

 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by saverio View Post
...Drive 1 Sytem and programs

Drive 2 pagefile (what sort of capacity woudl suit this?)

Drive 3 User files perhaps partitioned for x2 user (or would a drive for each user be better)

Drive 4 dumping ground for pictures, downloads etc...
Use volume, not drive, and this is just like my setup. I use RAID0 volumes for 1 and 2. Page volume can also contain every temp file/folder you can wring out of the system drive. The best method is to WAIK the install (something I have not mastered in 7).

Page file size is debatable.

Individual drives/parts for Users might be overthinking. You can protect a folder as easily as a drive so I don't understand your goal. Part'ing the users doesn't give you portability - so I miss the point.

In addition, I have a RAID5 array (soon to be RAID6) for archiving. My RAID5 is internal but could just as easily be elsewhere, NAS or eSATA. I house it internally in an Addtronics 4-in-3 bay just so I don't have to boot a file server for access to the archive.
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21 Jul 2009   #6
saverio

Windows 7 Professional 64bit
 
 

I see Antman.

I don't understand the term WAIK so if you could tell me more I'd very much appreciate it.

I suppose the moving of users onto a different drive just came from my old habit of keeping all my personal files separate from system volumes etc. as for partitioning the volume I suppose it just goes back to giving users their own physical space.

I suppose I had this vision of the main OS disk just being as pure as it could be without clutter from everything else, and thus making for a speedy system but I suppose even a programme on a separate drive will still install into C directories anyway so I understand when you say what is to be gained from this.

I'm running raid at the moment, and after a bios update I didn't have the expertise to recover the system as it said that a boot disc couldn't be found and so I just re-installed everything again from a system image.
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21 Jul 2009   #7
HerrKaLeun

W7 Pro 64
 
 

I had a similar idea. Right now I have RIAD 1 with 2 partitions (one ofor data, one for all installations incl. windows) for redundancy. I make occasional backups on a USB drive.

If SSD would be cheaper I would just keep all data on the RAID 1 and put the system and all installations on the SSD. OR is there a benefit of having W7 and all application installations on separate drives? the problem is, with all my isntalls I needed 120+ GB and that is outrageous expensive with SSD. but I like the SSD solution better than having 2 separate disks for pagefile and W7

the only thing I needed to speed up would be booting up and possibly starting AutoCAD and other heavy applications. The rest is fast (WD Black Caviar HDD)
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21 Jul 2009   #8
Antman

 

WAIK - Windows Automated Installation Kit 7

You can set the environment variables for USERPROFILES (and PROGRAMFILES if you wish) to whatever drive letter you choose. It is the only way to get the registry and most temp/log files off of C:, and it is the ONLY way to get ALL USER files off of C:.

You can also install an application set, apply registry mods, run post install commands and install exactly what drivers you want. In XP, it is how I was able to install RAID drivers without "Press F6". Of course, that is not such a hassle in 7, but you can still do it.

I do not recommend placing PROGRAMFILES on another volume. This can create challenges with repair processes. There is not that much performance gain, if any, with the advent of SuperFetch.

I first started using this concept in XP when I overwrote Documents and Settings once. It was much easier in XP. I am working on a WAIK disc but haven't focused much on it since my first attempt was an epic fail - I love these terms, dudes.

Sorry to hear that you chose to re-install following the BIOS update. It may have been possible to resurrect your boot. Water under the bridge.

RAID0 is risky, but with all of the user data on a separate volume + effective archival practices, you will be fine. Again, I RAID0 everything with system/background I/O. I use Karen's Replicator to copy all user data to a RAID5 every few days, or after a significant addition/change of data.

RAID6 is in my near term future. You can make donations via PayPal at my website.
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21 Jul 2009   #9
pparks1

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by saverio View Post
What are your thoughts, and if you had say two to four drives kicking around how would you organise your PC?
I'm probably alone in my own simplistic world, but i likely wouldn't put multiple drives into a single workstation computer unless I really had a need for massive amounts of disk space.

I don't like or use RAID0 because the failure potential is 2x and I just don't seem to have a need for the performance shown mostly within benchmark utilities to justify the potential for lost data.

I don't do a RAID1 mirror either at home...because I honestly feel that many files are deleted on accident and a RAID1 doesn't really prevent that from happening. I just prefer to backup regularly using something like robocopy to an external drive..which I can keep offsite in case my house burns to the ground.

While you can get a performance increase from having the page file on another drive....I'm not sure with the speed of drives today if the benefits are really that obvious anymore. I'm sure some can make the argument for it...but over the course of a day...I just don't think that the real world performance gains are worth it.

So, I would rather just have a single drive, consuming the least power and leading the least amount of cable clutter in my box. I do often keep a second hard drive mounted as a "sandbox" area and when a new OS comes out, I simply move the power and the SATA cable over to the playground OS and run from there.
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21 Jul 2009   #10
mikinho
Microsoft MVP

6x W2K8 R2 (x64), 6x W7 7600 (x64), 2x Gentoo (x64), 1x Ubuntu 9.04 (x64), 1x pfSense (FreeBSD)
 
 

Here is my setup on most of my systems

Volume 1 - Single 60 GB SSD broken into 2 partitions. C: [System]; D: [Apps]. On 1 of my systems I have it as two volumes since I had a couple smaller SSDs laying around.

Volume 2 - Pagefile, P: [Pagefile]

Note: Always keep at least the minimal appropiate (will try to find a reference for the proper size, I believe it is 256 MB but I honestly can't think if this is for 32-bit or 64-bit) sized pagefile on your system drive as well for your kernel mode or full memory dump analysis.

Volume 3 - Data - G: [Data] On my server this is a RAID6 setup. On my HTPC a single disk. I use WAIK to move my User folder to this drive. You can do it after the fact as well with a registry change and low level file copies (I wrote a tool for this).

I don't have my system or apps in a redundacy setup because it is honestly easier for me to reformat and reconfigure. I have my base setup built from WAIK and all my data on my redudant data volume.

So for your setup it depends on the size of your drives and whether you had a backup system in place. If you had a backup system in place I'd either 1- One drive for System\Apps, one for page (if the drive is small) and one for data, or 2- Two drives setup as RAID0 for System\Apps\Pagefile, two drives as RAID1 for Data.
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