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Windows 7: 15 minute boot time...

23 Jul 2011   #41
cluberti

Windows 10 Pro x64
 
 

It's not likely - it *is* a problem . It's not the only problem, but it is a relatively big one. I suggested he remove those two packages because Soluto is no longer needed, and MalwareBytes could have been configured to scan. Since we're lowering the possibility footprint, removing things that are not necessary to run the OS properly should be removed at this point until we fix things.


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23 Jul 2011   #42
karlsnooks

MS Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 64-bit
 
 

You have your experiences and I have mine.

Have a nice day.
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24 Jul 2011   #43
Drips

MS Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by karlsnooks View Post
You have your experiences and I have mine.

Have a nice day.
Your suggestions hardly helped =/


Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by cluberti View Post
So there are three devices causing delays, according to the trace:
"USB\VID_064E&PID_A127\CN0316-S30C-OV10-VH-R02.01.00" - USB composite device
"USB\VID_064E&PID_A127&MI_00\7&1a444de9&0&0000" - HP WebCam
"Root\volmgr\0000" - Volume Manager mount point on Hard disk 0

I decided to break it down into 3 sections - you have about 33 seconds wasted even before the kernel finishes loading and passes off to smss.exe to begin the rest of the boot process, so that's the first phase. Your machine actually takes a LONG time loading the volsnap (VSS) driver as well, and enumerating volume snapshot mount points takes almost 50% of that time, so that would potentially point to disk or filesystem issues.

Second, it takes smss.exe 308 seconds (this is the splash screen delay you see) to finish getting everything up and running, and 148 seconds of that delay is actually caused by accesses (mostly reads) to the hard disk. From what I see here, it would appear that either the disk is failing, or the NTFS filesystem on it has become in some way screwed up.

The third section is actually the winlogon+explorer+postboot section, which takes 127 seconds. That delay is mostly down to your antivirus hammering the disk (scanning during boot) and the fact that the disk itself is actually quite fragmented and slow. That could also be due to the fact that your disk is a (very) large portion of cause in your boot delay, and given the other sections also show an inordinate time spent on disk, this seems just more evidence of a disk or filesystem issue.

At this point, I would strongly suggest you follow my previous advice (chkdsk c: /r, reboot, uninstall software, defragment, and reboot again), and unless you are able to do so you probably aren't going to make much headway. Also, it seems that your webcam driver has something to do with this, and note that this is NOT the first time I've seen HP's webcam driver cause boot delays! The last piece is it does seem something attached to the USB bus is also at fault, but I don't know for sure if the HP Webcam hangs off of the USB bus internally, but I'd bet it does (the driver is snp2uvc.sys, which is a USB webcam video driver - which is also responsible for the lion's share of disk I/O not related to metadata during boot). So, after careful review, my initial observations on this appear to be confirmed - you have a disk problem, and also a problem with the HP webcam driver.



As to your question about what to remove, I'd recommend the following:
  • Speccy
  • Soluto
  • MalwareBytes
  • ESet
  • Conduit
  • JMicron driver
  • ENE driver
  • LightScribe
  • HP DriveGuard
  • ValiditySensors
  • HP WebCam
  • Cyberlink software (all 4 items)
Those would all be initial culprits in the delays, although Speccy and Soluto are more "just in case" options rather than real problem areas.
-Did the chkdsk C: /r, took 2 hours to complete.
-Defragmented C:
-Laptop now takes 5 minutes to boot after the doing those 2 things.
-Gonna uninstall the programs you listed right now.
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24 Jul 2011   #44
cluberti

Windows 10 Pro x64
 
 

You are welcome. Also, be nice - everyone has different experiences about what works and what doesn't, and not everyone knows how to (or even about) all of the tools and what they can and can't show. Karlsnooks is right far more often than he is not, and taking and reading xbootmgr traces is not something that most people can do or know to do.

I am very glad that it helped. You probably now will indeed want to look at removing things you do not need, clean your boot from anything unnecessary, and keep your disks clean and in working / defragmented order on a regular basis.

Good luck!
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24 Jul 2011   #45
gregrocker

 

It is always a privilege to watch Carl at work. He may be the top expert on boot traces in the world so we are fortunate to have him here.

A friend has a newer Dell laptop with Core 2 Duo that had a 2 minute startup that defied my own ability to read the trace in depth. Carl discovered that the problem was both the combination of a 5400 rpm HD Dell installed (Hello? Core 2 Duo?) which also needed boot defragging.

The boot defrag cut the startup time in half. Replacing the HD will likely cut it more.

The boot trace is the ultimate solution to slow startup, shutdown, sleep and hibernate issues. Here is Carl's new tutorial to bookmark: http://www.cluberti.com/blog/2011/07...rmance-issues/
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25 Jul 2011   #46
Drips

MS Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by cluberti View Post
You are welcome. Also, be nice - everyone has different experiences about what works and what doesn't, and not everyone knows how to (or even about) all of the tools and what they can and can't show. Karlsnooks is right far more often than he is not, and taking and reading xbootmgr traces is not something that most people can do or know to do.

I am very glad that it helped. You probably now will indeed want to look at removing things you do not need, clean your boot from anything unnecessary, and keep your disks clean and in working / defragmented order on a regular basis.

Good luck!

285 second boot time (4.75 min) instead of 5 minutes without the things you've listed. THANKS!!!

P.S. I wasn't trying to be mean about the "Your suggestions hardly helped" >.>
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